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You guys are like lambs walking into the wolf's ambush. I have read a few stories now of how the 270 preformed admireably on thier monster elk. Thats how you let your guard down. You see one or two go down and you think the 270 is adequate. Like I said in one of my previous posts its like playing blackjack. You might get lucky for a few hands but you boys keep usin that 270 on elk and you're gonna lose a big one. I've seen it too many times. The 270 will kill an elk but besides the 30-30 no rifle has wounded more elk than any other rifle in history.

One by one my family and friends have all sworn off the 270 for elk because for every atta boy story you boys got for the 270, I've got gawd dammitt story for it. You won't take the advice of those who have tried and lost so don't blame us when you lose your bull, or track em for miles just to find you had a perfect shot not take him down right away.

Think of it as Dodge recalling a part on one of their trucks. That particular part isn't bad on every single truck but its proven that its unreliable enough that that part should be completely taken off the market. If you understand that, then you understand why NOT to use a 270 on elk.

Like I said before its easy to spot the greenhorns from the experienced.

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There is really no way to know the answers to the follow, but how many of those hunters that after many successful hunts with the 270 Win and finally loose an elk using a 270 Win would have gotten it having used a larger caliber in that exact same situation? How do we know that it was the 270 Win to blame and not just being used as an excuse? Was it really the cartridge or was it just one of those unusual situation and it was easier to blame it on the "marginal" 270 Win cartridge rather than a badly executed shot, a gust of wind, or miss judgment of the distance? No one can answer these questions with hard numbers, but I suspect at least some of these loses are not the fault of the 270 Win.

It is pretty funny that the 270 Win as an elk cartridge is about as controversial as abortion and Ford or Chevy. Man! Does the 270 Win subject bring out the arguments. Thanks again for all the input on both sides.

mcb

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I'm a fine reader, BeaverJack, what I read was this bit of pontification.

We got big, beefy bulls that can run like the wind with a 1/2 lb of lead in 'em, an' generally don't even react to a bullet.

Surely you were speaking figuratively, but since no rifle I'm aware of throws a 3500 grain bullet, I naturally assumed you must be taking a tank into battle.

Anyway MCB, you have now been full witness to a 270 cat fight. Pretty isn't it? Keep in mind though that most of these folks that are against the 270 are only trying to help you out. If it were me, I would listen to them, even if it is anecdotal.

After reading your original post again, I would have gone with a 30-06 (which happens to be what I use), it would have been fine for use in KY on deer as well and with 180 grain bullets you would be good to go on elk. Don was on the money from the start with his recommendation.

Also there would have been no harm in purchasing the 300 RUM although you stated it would be "over kill". I don't subscribe to the idea that there are too big of guns for some game (within reason of course), such as using a 300 RUM on deer. Assuming you can shoot the RUM as well as a 270 (which is a dubious assumption for some folks), the only difference is going to be the size of the hole in the chest cavity and the RUM might help you out if you make a marginal shot. You can't make game more dead and for the calibers discussed here, any caliber increase isn't going to make that much of a difference in meat lost if you happen to hit one in the rump.

Good luck to you next year.

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I like the way don put it. It makes me feel ok about using the rifle I already own, and not going out to buy another one until I can actually afford it (shouldnt skip the mortgage payment, not even for a new rifle ) My question is about sight in distance with a 270 win. I have it sighted in now at 200 yds, does that sound appropriate for a rocky mountain hunt, or is it a little far? I know that I need to be careful with shot placement using my 270. I handload my own, using 140 gr nosler accubonds. Any advice for sighting in or should I leave it at 200 yds?

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I also shoot the Nosler 140gr Accubonds, but I shoot them out of a 270wsm. I just finished loading up a box full this evening. For the 270win, if you sight 3" high at 100 yds you will be good to go out to 325 yds without any hold over and still have about 1600 fpe at 325 yds. The energy along with construction of those 140's makes a good combination for those monarchs.

There is one exception I would make when hunting elk . If and only if I was chasing after a record bull and wasn't willing to take anything less than a record size. I would not use anything smaller than 30 caliber with 180gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claws or Barnes X for insurance purposes.

Good luck on your hunt.

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I just read about another round, developed by a wildcatter that can throw a 250gr 338 bullet.at 3700 fps. It develops almost 8000 ft /lbs of muzzle energy.

With the direction the cartridge battles are going. We'll probably be seeing this one on the shelves at the local sporting goods stores and in the elk camps in the next few years. Someday it may be the minimum cartridge for elk.

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But it has to have only one inch of drop at 5000 yards, don't forget.

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Had a hunter telling me about his elk hunting method yesterday.
He uses a 243 win and no other round.
He stalks to within 50 yds and puts a bullet into the neck, behind the ear, to break the spine at the base of the skull. He won't take any other shot and has gotten quite a few elk. From the statements made from other hunters. It sounds like he gets an elk every year he goes after one.
He has lived in the area all his life. Knows the country as well as anyone and works in the logging industry. I would say he has an advantage over most of the guys that get a chance to chase these monarchs.

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And for a hunter like that, I would never tell him that a .243 is too small for hunting elk. On the other hand, for a newbie looking for some advice as to which rifle to choose for elk, I would most definitely tell HIM that a .243 is too small.

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There are exceptions to any rule.
I agree with you
As for a hunter that has the opportunity for the once in a lifetime hunt or doesn't have the time to get to know the country and stalk the game. The 243 would not be a good choice for an elk cartridge.

A point that I would like to make is. Most of the hunters I'm running into that only have the opportunity to get out for that one week or two to three weekends of hunting seem to think that if they carry a cannon into the field, it's a guarantee that they'll fill that tag.

There is an extreme on the other end also.
Very few shooters, that I know, can honestly say they feel comfortable shooting these large capacity cases and get the accuracy needed for these longer shots, under hunting conditions, that they make claim to. I've watched several shoot, from a bench. If they concentrate, get in several deep breaths to prepare for the recoil, grit their teeth and close their eyes. they are able to get off a few rounds with some accuracy. This still doesn't give anyone the right to get out in the field and attempt these claims of 500 yd shots.
I've shot a few of these cannons and don't see the neccesity, at least not in the lower 48.

Yes, there are hunters/shooters that can make these extreme shots. just as there are those that can use a 243 win. Show some respect for the future of the sport. Don't take the chances of leaving wounded game because you think it makes you a better hunter if you can attempt a 500 yd shot with one of these cannons.

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