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I stand corrected Bevis. I was just tallying up all the responses and, unlike my exwife, I dont read minds so I only reported what was written here.
I meet all 3 of your requirements for a trip into the sticks for elk. 1- I aint even seen an elk 'cept on TV. 2- I got me a lil ole family, 4 year old son and 6 year old daughter and a regular job. 3- I am in pretty good shape cept that I like to breathe air that has actual air in it. A rew years back I worked on 2 jobs out yonder, Boulder and outside of Denver, and it took me pretty near a month to be able to walk the 300 yards from the job trailer to the building with out gettin all outta breath.
I reckon I'll just stick to these lil old whitetails and swamp hogs here in Florida.

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Injuns used to believe hogs to be worthless as food 'cause they lacked spirit. Last hog I saw was layin' in a gray mud, feces mixture blowing bubbles in a puddle with his snoot while he crapped without even getting up. Last elk I saw had frost on his muzzle, tippin' his head up bugling at me. His antlers nearly touched his rump and he the sound he made sent chills down my spine from 30 yards. Reckin' I know what them injuns meant.

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Injuns also used to believe that the white man was weak and would never be able to survive here in their land. Reckon they were wrong.
An actual Creek Indian by the name of Roger Holley taught me everthing I know about Hog huntin. He didn't share your injuns belief that Hogs were not a tasty meal. He didnt use a 270 either. :smile:
I would love to see a sight such as you described with the Elk. I do enjoy the outdoors and nature.
There aint a whole lotta frost around here though but a nice Whitetail, antlers glistening with the morning dew makes for a beautiful sight also though.
I consider you to be a lucky man to be able to enjoy such sights. Unfortunely I believe those days are numbered for all of us and our kids unless we make mega dollars to spend on a lease.

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I'm suprised to read that BeaverJack has used a 270. From reading the professors comments in this and other threads, I thought for sure he took nothing short of a sherman tank into elk combat.

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You ain't a very good reader are you bit? If you read what I wrote careful, you'd see thet I don't think much of magnums neither. My rifle's a 348 winchester. I like the necked up '06 cartridges real good, with the 338-06 bein' 'bout the best elk cartridge for the average joe. Overall, the 35 calibers are prime for elk, not as finicky 'bout bullet choice an' what fellers call "shot placement". Relyin' on "shot placement" is a bunch of horse hooey unner normal hunting conditions. I'd probably pass on a bench rest shot at a elk at 250 yards. Somethings gotta be earned.

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On 2003-11-18 02:58, BeaverJack wrote:
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Overall, the 35 calibers are prime for elk, not as finicky 'bout bullet choice an' what fellers call "shot placement". Relyin' on "shot placement" is a bunch of horse hooey unner normal hunting conditions. I'd probably pass on a bench rest shot at a elk at 250 yards. Somethings gotta be earned.

So what are you saying? Using a cannon big enough that you could hit them nearly anywhere with anything and still kill them is more sporting then good marksmanship and proper bullet placement? To take it to the extreme why not skip the 35 cal. and jump up to the 30mm. Yes that is typed with a large quantity of tongue in cheek. A 30mm is pretty heavy. :smile: I understand having alot of gun to "open up" how critical bullet placement is and extend your effective range but is in not also sporting to realize that you have chosen to use a sufficient but lighter rifle like a 270 Win or 280 Rem and will now hunt appropriately for that cartridge? How is it more sporting to use the 348 win just because it is "less finicky about bullet choice"?

Personally I think it is slightly more sporting and just as earned to use a sufficient rifle rather then a "cannon", but you have to be willing to hunt within the limitation of that cartridge. If you chose a lighter rifle then you have to hunt to get close and take only shots that allow you to put the bullet where you want. The heavier rifle would let you shoot farther and into less favorable situations but as long as the hunter stays with in the limitation of his hunting device I don't see one being more or less sporting or more or less human. On the opposite extreme a lot of elk are taken with bow and arrow and that is a very short range and minimal energy weapon and yet the bow can be used effectively to take elk. I know the analogy is not perfect.

JMHO
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Well, I think you're both right.

There are some folks who worship at the altar of shot placement. The fact is, with proper shot placement you can kill an elephant with a .22 short. So, does that make the .22 short an adequate caliber for elephant hunting?

There are other folks who worship at the altar of caliber size. The fact is, with really poor shot placement you can fail to kill an antelope with a .458 magnum. So, does that make the .458 magnum too small of a caliber for antelope hunting?

Obviously, instead of religious fervor what is needed is a little bit of reasonable compromise. Yes, shot placement is important, but so is caliber size. Yes, caliber size is important, but so is shot placement. Just like the debate between energy and momentum, you need both.

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Worshippin' anything to an extreme will get you into trouble. That is my point. People rely on special bullets an' "shot placement" rather than stalkin' skills, prudent ranges, and a cartridge (not caliber) that they can handle without sand bags that is up to the job with a margin for error. I also take issue with the fellers thet pack a rifle they ain't ever used enough to be comfortable with. They generlly got a arsenal at home, but little field experience with any one rifle.

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WOW! As usual the 270 topics ruffles a lot of feathers. Last month I left my 308 at home and took my 270 out on an elk hunt. Two hours into opening morning the gun cracked and the bull fell within 40 yards. No little elk either. A nice 6 x 6 Arizona bull. I used a 140gr Hornady light mag factory load. Both lungs were destroyed and the round broke one rib on entry and two on exit.

Was I dumb for leaving the 308 at home? Maybe. Did I get lucky? Probably not. Was I comfortable and extremely confident in my rifle? Absolutely. Did I shoot a wussy bull? Absolutely not. Is my freezer full? You betcha!

As far as caliber goes, shoot what you shoot best (within reason) and HAVE CONFIDENCE in it. You'll have enough to worry about in the field when that elk shows up. You don't want to be thinking about your rifle's performance/ability. Get a good yardage, breath slow (easier said than done), and squeeze. A bull will be just as dead with a 270 as with the 575 T-Rex.

Having said my piece, I'm ready for the thrashing. Bring it on

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I think bevis' last post said about all that needs to be said. He is 100% correct. Too many folks go afield inexperienced and rely on special bullets and think in their minds that they'll just have to be accurate with their shot and the "special" bullet will do the killin for them. Fact is most hunters are terriable judges of distance, thats why just not everyone hunts with a bow.
However, anyone who hunts more than inside a shooting box overlooking a bait feeder or food plot knows that in the real sticks there aint no easy perfect shot unless you make it happen with skill and knowledge accuried only thru years of trial and error.
Use whatever you are comfy with but never ever shoot at an animal bigger than what you are used to hunting that is way out there cause he'll look much closer than he actually is.

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