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I feel the 270 will do just fine, as long as you 1. Take a good shot (no texas heart shots) and 2. Use a good stout bullet.

In 02 I was elk hunting with a guy who brought down a small racked 5x5 using 140 grain corelokts from his 270. Two shots. Both went through the right rear ham and ended up in the chest cavity at about 80 yards. The bull ran about 100-120 yards.

This year I brought down my 6x6 with my 7mag with 160 partitions. Dropped him dead in his tracks. Shot perfect, 1/3 way up from belly directly behind shoulder.

My friends this year also got huge elk (6x6 & 6x7) with 30/06's. One used 180 corelokts and the other 150 corelokts. Each required 2 shots. Their shots were about 35-40 yards each and both were into the chest cavity.

This was in New Mexico, unit 16C.

[ This Message was edited by: BlueStew on 2003-11-12 19:03 ]

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I hear the same bullhockey over and over. "I had concerns until I saw so and so drop an elk one shot with a 270." Look, its always easy to spot a knowledgeable veteran elk hunter from a wannabe.

This is the best advice I can give. A 270 has killed a lot of elk, many of them with "one shot". But aside from the 30-30 they have also wounded more elk than any other cartridge in history. Its like playing blackjack. You might win a few hands and think you gotta it all figured out. But if you play long enough you will have bad experiences even when you "make a good shot."

Those who claim they don't have bad experiences huntin elk wiht a 270 is either lying or the exception and just plain lucky.

The 270 has a 150 gr factory load, max. The bullet weight and sectional density combined make it unreliable on heavy muscle and bone. Seen it many times, especially on bigger bulls. Hits a bone, bullet shatters and the elk runs off 2 miles before he expires. You track one once like that and it'll make a believer outta ya real fast. When talking about the 270 on elk the fancy tables, momentum charts and any other number you can think of ain't got nothin to do with it.

[ This Message was edited by: rather_be_huntin on 2003-11-13 11:39 ]

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Lots of folks ride around without a seat belt too, til that one experience that either makes a believer or a corpse outta them. Once is all's it takes. Or maybeso they jus' got itty-bitty elk where they live, the kind thet have trouble walkin' in a stiff wind. Ain't none of that 'round here. We got big, beefy bulls that can run like the wind with a 1/2 lb of lead in 'em, an' generally don't even react to a bullet.

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Ok mcb here are the facts of the responses of your post,
there were 11 different people responding to your question, don't count me cause I have never hunted a elk or saw one in person,(if I ever do go an hunt an elk I'm gonna beg beaverjack to take me with him)and I hunt with a 30.06. I just like to read all the hupla that comes with any question on this forum that mentions the use of a 270. Now that leaves 10 people responding.
Out of those 10 not one of them have said they kilt an elk with a 270 themselves, always their" friend" or "someone they knew" done the killin with the 270.
Of those 10 only 2 said they have actually killed a elk themselves and none of them used a 270 to do it.(actually 3 cause I have read other post here where bitmasher has killed elk, he just did't say so here)
I know you have already gotten the 270 but for anyone else readin this post I would recommend that you listen to the Veterns here that have actually pulled the trigger on an elk. Of those vets, not one pulled the trigger on a 270 with an elk in the scope.

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Hmmm... A quick regress back into the numbers shows that a 150 grain .277 dia. bullet has a better sectional density and nearly as good a ballistic coefficient (depending on bullet choice) as a 150 grain .308 diameter bullet. The 150 grain .277 dia. bullet has a slightly better sectional density than a 180 grain .308 bullet with a bit worst ballistic coefficient, again depending on the choice of bullet.

I see no reason why a top quality 270 bullet would be more likely to fail on impact then a comparable quality 30 cal. bullet. The extra 0.031 inch in diameter will not make that much structural difference. With today’s modern manufacturing if your willing to spend a few dollars extra for a box of ammo then bullet failure is a non-issue. Penetration with the lighter bullet may still be an issue but bullet failure is not. I have no doubt that a good bullet like a Barnes X bullet or other similar top of the line bullets will hold together under most situation a 270 Win could fire it into. The only issue I see is weather the lighter 270 bullet would penetrate if I accidentally hit a heavy bone like the shoulder blade. I think at very close range it probably would but at longer ranges I would have a problem.

As I see it there is a lot of gray area here in cartridge/caliber choice. Sure a 22LR is pretty assuredly a bad/black choice. A 243 Win is also a bad choice (from my personal study but no real experience) but it is legal in Colorado so a slight bit of gray is introduced but still a pretty black choice. Then we get to the real argumentative calibers like the .277 and .284 variety. Lots of gray here and lots of arguments. As we move into the .308 it become a lot more white but still some room to argue. So how big is nice and white? As the 22LR is very under kill something like .700 H&H or .50 BMG would be very over kill but things like 338 Win and 375 H&H would not get to many people argumentative. What would you guy call the best Elk cartridge? As free from argument while still being practical.

I find it very interesting how the 270 Win seems to fall right in the center of that spectrum of Elk Calibers. I would love to see some real number (the engineering mind rears its ugly head :grin on the success or failure of the 270 Win as an Elk Cartridge. Everyone has their opinion and their sample stories to back their opinion up but I have never seen numbers. Has one of the mountain states ever done a survey of hunters? What caliber they used and how well it worked? Probably not but it sure would be an interesting study.

From all the number crunching and reading advice on sites like this I feel confident that the 270 Win will be a fine elk cartridge as long as I do my part. I need to put a good quality bullet where it will do the most good and not to over reach the 270 Win’s range. Are there better cartridges out there? Sure! But I don’t think I am drastically handicapping myself with the 270 Win either. I would say the most suggested caliber in all my research so far has been 30-06. And from all my research it appears the 270 is about 90-95% the elk cartridge the 30-06 is. But that is just my inexperience and humble opinion. I know some will agree and some will disagree, but I have been having fun with the discussion.

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But mcb, no one is recommending a 150 grain .308 bullet. I think I'm the only one who mentioned any specific bullet weights for the .30-06 and I said it should be a 180 grain bullet. Frankly, I consider that on the low end also, though not as "low end" as a .270. I don't hunt elk with my .30-06 much anymore, but when I do I use 200 grain handloaded bullets.

Frankly, it is beginning to sound as if you are working hard to rationalize the decision you have already made. I don't think you need to do that. If you stick to more-or-less broadside shots, where you have a clear and certain entry to the elk's boiler room, the .270, with heavy-for-caliber bullets, will be adequate.

If you're trying to convince me (or anyone else here, for that matter) that the .270 is anything more than just "adequate," you're not even coming close. Sorry.

Good luck on your elk hunt.

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Don you hit the nail right on the head.

I don't think anyone here would reccomend a 150gr bullet in any caliber, I think thats one of the major flaws of the 270 for elkin. Again all those fancy numbers don't mean a thing compared to what, a 100 years or so of elk hunting advice layed right out in front of you. I'm guessing on the time period but I bet I'm not far off.

I'd even agree that the 180gr bullet out of a 30-06 isn't an excellent elk thumper but it is acceptable. For your purposes I'd recommend the 30-06.

If elkin is going to be an annual event the 270 is not the right tool.

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I didn't mention I kilt several elk with a 270? Used to hunt everthin' with a 270, onct upon a time. They died for me with that rifle. Did have to track one or two, an' I was young an' full of crap like mos' young fellers. After shootin' a couple with a 45-70, I decided the 270 wasn't enuff rifle. Then I got into guiding. Saw a dozen or so elk die some years, to all kinds of cartridges, all kinds of hunters. I developed a fondness for 180 Noslers many years ago. I like a 200 Nosler in a 300 WM, but for an' '06, a 180 is prime. I punched a couple holes in elk with a 8mm throwin' a 200 gr Nosler. It did a fine job at reasonable range, an' I gave that rifle to my boy when he turned 21. I sold my 270 last year. It was a fine lope gun, but I ain't much of a lope hunter. Way too easy. If I ever go afer another prarie goat, I'm takin' my .54 smokepole. Yeah, I've kilt elk with a 270. Seen plenty die at others' hands with that cartride too. It ain't enuff in mos' people's hands. I think the '06 minimum is the right answer for people on these boards who ain't hunted elk before. Sure, there's no absolutes, but anybody who looks forward to trackin' a wounded elk ain't ever tracked one before. And anybody thinks a 150 grain bullet will hold together thru an elk roast like a 180 Nosler will, ain't shot a lot of either.

Sorry Tapioca. I ain't takin' fellers from the innernet huntin' unless they 1. ain't never hunted elk before, and 2. they got families and probably would never be able to afford an outfitted elk hunt, and 3. they're physically up to a pack in wilderness hunt. Took a feller this year and he was a joy to have in camp. Got another lined up for next year, but in 2005 who knows?

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I have never killed an Elk with my 270, only my 7Mag w/160 partitions. My 270 was my back up, but next time I will use my 270.
Why?
1. I have confidence in the gun. I know how it shoots.
2. I use good bullets, 150 nosler partitions.
3. I don't take risky shots.
4. I know my range.
Understanding that, my Sako 270 will take my next elk.
I feel if you know your limitations and the guns limits (and don't exceed them) you will take an Elk.

This year I could've shot a bigger elk that I was stalking with my 7mag. But the shot was down the side of a mountain (about 45 degree angle down)through/under Ponderosa pines. I had to lay flat on my back, looking down through my feet, to watch him at about 130 yards. To risky for me, I could've rolled the dice; but I'm not gambling with the Elks life.

The only reason I didn't use my 270 was that I had purchased my 7Mag specifically for a prior years elk hunt that I didn't get drawn for.

As I stated in an earlier post about my friend killing an elk with a 270, that wasn't word of mouth account. It was first hand...I was there.

Be aware of the man with one gun and know's how to use it. That's how I feel with my 7Mag, with my 270 a close second. Kinda, contradicting isn't it? But I know both and am confident in either one.

Bottom line, if you use a 270 (any gun for that matter)on Elk, you had better know the gun.

I forgot to add, there aren't any 300 yard shots for me or my guns. I hunt until I'm confortable with the distance of the shot, deer or elk. I'm a bowhunter at heart.

Oh yeah, the 270 would be the extreme minimum for caliber. Anything smaller, you may hit'em, but have fun trailing (unless your lucky). That is unless it's a head shot.

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mcb-

FWIW-
I went on a once-in-a-lifetime-hunt in Colorado this last October. I was fortunate enough to draw a tag in Trophy Unit 201. As I'm from Michigan, and like you, didn't need a large caliber gun for the type of hunting I do here, I decided to go with the .270 that I already owned. I took a nice bull at 200 yards with one shot. He ran 20 yards, turned and looked back at me and collapsed. Like most here on this site say, a .270 is fine if you know YOUR limitations. Good luck on your pending hunt!

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