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CANNED HUNT

What's your own opinion on a canned hunt? You know, those fenced in acres with numerous game runnning around. I thought about going on one once just to get an ELk I wanted but then thought twice about it and decided not. My opinion is I'd rather get the animal fair chase BUT, I wouldn't deny anyone hunting that way if they so choose. Have you ever done one, would you do it again if you have, and which state was it in?

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nope

never done one and don't care to.  I was all excited when a local "game ranch" started advertising hunts until I drove by and saw all the elk eating from a feed trough in the barn yard just like cattle. That pretty well ended my desire to hunt there.  I think pheasant hunting might be different if they raise them on a thousand acres and allow hunting there though..... 

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The thought has crossed my

The thought has crossed my mind for a hunt here in Oregon, Its the Starkey experimental forrest, its National forrest land that is fenced off and its 40,000 acres, the animals are wild and are not feed from feeders or anything. its a draw only hunt and they give out 20 tags for archery and 20 for rifle. but I'm not into high fenced hunts so i havent applied for it. I have heard from hunters who have hunting there thats its just as hard as non fenced land and the animals act like normal wild animals, its just not my cup of tea.

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Well, something like that,

Well, something like that, 40,000 acres, I might be okay with.  Those animals can spend their entire life inside that place, and never even see the outer fence.

Therefore, I would think that they would be as much "wild" as anywhere in the true wild.

However, when it comes to smaller places, where the operator can tell you pretty much at any time where the game is, and direct you to it, I am totally against that.

I will not stop anyone from doing it, as long as it's legal, but in the smaller enclosures, it's more like "harvesting" than hunting, and the animals are more like livestock.

And don't get me started on feeding them, and hunting over those feeders.  Whistling

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Well in a way I have yes.

Well in a way I have yes. When I was about 13 we went on vacation around the country and I talked my dad into stopping to hunt on a preserve in Pennsylvania for a ram of some sort. I remember the cost total as being around 300 dollars back then. At that time I had no idea what a preserve was and only knew it was an opportunity to hunt. I had only killed one deer at that time which was a button buck. I have to say that at the time it was a great experience but knowing what I know now I would not do it again.

So yes I have with great results for a young kid with lots of dreams but no I would not do it again as I prefer the truly wild experience.

I do feel they have a place for things such as this as long as the truth is told and everything is legal. It's just not for me.

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OK, here goes

Matter of fact, I have done what might be considered a canned hunt.  When my son was stationed in Germany, he took the hunter ed class over there and got his license.  It was no small task and he did it with class.  He was then entitled to hunt any of the German animals but had to do it in German style.  He went on several drive hunts for the little reh deer and had a great time.

He then contacted a forestmeister and arranged a hunt for me.  I would fly over and we would hunt near Munich.  In Germany, the forestmeister knows every animal on his property and he MUST take a prescribed number of animals.  There are NO public land hunts.  Every animal is regulated by a forestmeister and the meat must be paid for.  There are strict rules that must be followed and traditions carried out.

I flew to Germany and we met our forestmeister in a small town outside Munich.  We traveled to a large ranch where we would be hunting.  I took an 18 (eastern count) point red stag which was classified as A-1.  I paid the price for the trophy but did not buy the meat. 

Was it a "hunt" in our eyes?  Probably not.  Was it a traditional German hunt with all the pomp and circumstance?  Yes.  I don't know that I'd do it again but it was a wonderful experience that I cherish.  Even wrote that story for one of these days.

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Never done one and dont care

Never done one and dont care to but if I did it would not be for a trophy but just for the fun and the meat. I did one time take the kids to a trout farm because we didnt catch a fish the whole  trip. had a time with the kids and got to eat fish that night. Yes

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I think it really depends on

I think it really depends on the conditions, like has already been mentioned. The presence of feeders, a relatively small amount of property, etc. really doesn't seem like hunting to me. On the other hand, when you're talking 40,000 acres with the animals being free to run completely wild - that's a different scenario IMO - even if there is a high fence around the entire area. 

In practical terms, unless you are intentionally hunting near a fence and trying to push the animals into a spot where they will be forced into a position where you can shoot them, hunting in a very large area with a fence around it is no different that hunting in an area that covers one or two square miles. The 40,000 acres is the equivalent of 62.5 square miles - I don't know anyone who would hunt an area that large and think that a fence 10 miles away is going to have any impact on their hunting experience.

Pheasants? I never thought that a fence presented any impediment to a bird, so IMO that's a moot point.

Planted fish? When I was in the Army stationed in France, we fished from a lake that was planted once a week with trout. They would put the fish in on Wednesday evening and leave the lake closed until Saturday morning. The first two days, it was pretty easy to catch your limit if you were there in the morning. After that, the fishing was just like anywhere else. You had to work for them, and they didn't seem to be any more "domesticated" than a wild fish.

 

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I think the thing with

I think the thing with pheasant is the big preserve hunts like we have im many places out here. The birds are raised in pens with flyways so they can learn to fly well but other than that they are raised and held until the day of the hunts or just before. When a group of hunters are coming  a certain numbers of birds are released for the weekends activities. Of course some of them do get away so there will be some resident birds but they are usually not raised and released right away as too many would be lost.

I have no problem with this at all but some would say this is the same thing as the canned hunts being talked about.

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I have done several hog hunts

I have done several hog hunts behind high fences. Not trophy hunts, just meat hunts. Some were like shooting fish in  a barrel while others were hard hunts. Depends on how large the enclosure and how tough the terraine. I have also been on numerous pheasant hunts on shooting preserves. Basically put and take hunting. One hog hunt, I could have shot a trophy bull elk for 12K. It was so tame that I could have walked up and petted it! Not sporting in any way.!!!

I believe they have their place for people who are handicapted or youth just begining to hunt. Size of the enclosure is the most important factor!

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All good statements, leaves

All good statements, leaves alot to think about. I suppose if thats all you want it for is the meat then maybe. Thx for the responses.

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