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Call to Arms

Every so often we get somebody who's pure transmit and demands that everyone adopt their particular crusade.  Yours is cats.  I get it.  But you can't pigeonhole and insult people simply because they don't rush out to sign on to your crusade.  I just don't share your sense of alarm.  I've been charged and I've had to defend my kill and myself a hundred miles from civilization.  I've been rocketed in Afghanistan.  I just can't feel threatened by a housecat.  If you think I'm an armchair hunter because I'm on this forum, so be it.  But I can sit in my armchair and admire some nice taxidermy on my walls.

I understand your thought that you feel justified to shoot cats under the "threat to life or health" argument.  But good luck with that one in a court of law.  I've lived all over the country, to include a lot of time in Alaska, which has some of the most liberal "defense of life or property" laws in the country.  Your argument on this matter is like shooting wolves because they might be carrying rabies.  It's akin to ranchers in Montana arguing that they have the right to shoot any buffalo on their property because they might be infected with brucellosis.  This isn't a matter of personal values...it's legal definitions.  And legal definitions care about things like justification based on actual threats vs potential threats.  All folks here are saying is to be sure you're right with the law.  And that's not just regarding killing feral cats...it's also regarding raising field mice and releasing them into the environment.

You certainly seem wound pretty tight on the matter, and I've gotta ask...at what point do you move from shooting every cat on your property to a preemptive approach where you start killing every cat you find before it gets to your property, or in the belief that you're bettering society?

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You can destroy ANY animal showing signs of rabies.

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Your argument on this matter is like shooting wolves because they might be carrying rabies.  It's akin to ranchers in Montana arguing that they have the right to shoot any buffalo on their property because they might be infected with brucellosis.

Your psychotic cat-lover's extrapolation doesn't hold a drop of water. It is legal everywhere to shoot ANY ANIMAL showing signs of rabies.

Since nearly all cats now harbor deadly diseases to all and all wildlife, INCLUDING RABIES, I see no problem with all others shooting every one they see. Unless the owner has proof their cat is free of all diseases, and can provide that proof on demand, from a test done that day (lest their cat got infected earlier in the day) .... their cat deserves to die.

Are you even aware that more people have contracted rabies from house-cats than all other wildlife put together?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Woodsman01, I live in a rural area. When we have cats around, our mouse problem is significantly improved. Without a cat, we were trapping mice in the house at least once per day. I live in an area where hantavirus is a significant problem. I've know people that have gotten it and some that have died.  I don't know anyone that has gotten sick or died of toxoplasmosis. 

Outdoor cats don't last too long around here. They are often snacked off by foxes and coyote. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that cats are not preyed upon. 

As expatriate stated, you are entitled to your opinion, but you do not have the right to name call or make judgements about a person. We understand you hate cats. Not everyone feels that way. 

If you ask me, I think the feral hog problem is much more dangerous and detrimental to people, wildlife and the land. 

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Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy

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Woodsman01, I live in a rural area. When we have cats around, our mouse problem is significantly improved. Without a cat, we were trapping mice in the house at least once per day. I live in an area where hantavirus is a significant problem.

Whereas I had more of a problem with indoor mice when cats were around. The mice wanted off my land and into shelter. The stalking cats effectively herding the mice toward my home. Now that I have a nice stock of owls and gray foxes (which, by the way, are some of the best mousers in the world, they don't even eat poultry nor any other farm animals), my mice repeater-traps haven't seen a mouse since. Owls and gray foxes, unlike cats, have a better vantage point to catch and eat more mice than cats, without ending up just herding them from one place to another and into your homes. They also don't keep destroying all other wildlife (reptiles, etc.) even when they're full, as cats do. Cats just keep on killing and killing anything that moves no matter how well-fed they are. It was during the reign of cats that I started to catch all these indoor mice to use as a breeding stock. Raising them during the winters to release on the land in spring.

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Outdoor cats don't last too long around here. They are often snacked off by foxes and coyote. So I'm not sure where you get the idea that cats are not preyed upon.

Show me proof that they are eaten by fox and coyote. Another lie told by cat-lovers. Reports coming out of Florida show that coyote won't even go near them. For the same reasons that none of the predators here will go near them. Do you know nothing about animal behavior? Bold stripes and patterns are a universal symbol to all wildlife EVERYWHERE, from insects, to all life in the ocean, to all life on land, that that animal is toxic or uses other hidden defense mechanisms. It's how animals have been able to remain in balance in the natural world. At least wildlife are honest with one another, unlike humans and their cats. The ONLY cat that I finally got some wildlife to eat was an all gray one. And then those unlucky animals promptly got ill and died from it. A whole family of opossum. I was so looking forward to watching the adults' and offsprings' antics the coming spring. If I had only known then what I do now about cats harboring diseases deadly to wildlife.

Go give someone else an excuse why you irresponsibly and disrespectfully (to all humans and to all wildlife) let your invasive species run rampant on the land. I for one am not buying your sorry song and dance.

 

As for the rest of you? Here's a little information to help you understand the behaviors of cat-lovers and their cats. Now you'll know exactly why cat-lovers do what they do. It really has nothing at all to do with their concern for cats, nor even the lives of anyone nor anything else, quite the opposite.

Human Territorial Behavior By Expendable Proxy

I have come to the inexorable conclusion that the vast majority of cat-lovers and cat-owners that let their destructive invasive-species roam free, and especially those that defend the rights of feral cats to overtake public property and wildlife areas, are only (cowardly) using cats as a proxy for their own territorial behavior. Not unlike uneducated inner-city youth that will disrespectfully and inconsiderately use loud music to stake-out a territory for themselves. As long as they can have one of their cats defecate in another's yard or destroy their property, animals, and wildlife; and the yard-owner not have any recourse; the cat-owner owns that territory. It's time to put a stop to them using their "cute kitty" excuse for usurping and stealing others' property. If they want territory they can damn well buy it just like anyone else. Instead they're using underhanded, disrespectful, and manipulative means. By putting (and sacrificing) live animals in the path of their envy and greed. Again proving why they don't care about cats nor anyone else at all. Cat-lovers only really want your yard, garden, or forest while making all others and all other animals suffer for what they can't have nor own. Bottom line--they want to control you and your property. That's ALL that "cat-lovers" are really after. It's why they don't care at all if their cat nor any other animals, nor even other humans, get harmed by their goals and (lack of) values in life.

 

For those of you who don't have any legal recourse to shoot cats in your area (like I do), then use the cat-management program that is popular worldwide. The SSS cat-program. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-up. That solution is "legal" everywhere.

 

 

 

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Woodsman001, Recognizing that you are new to this site and that your ability to intelligently listen to, evaluate and discuss rationally others opinions on an extremely narrow topic has rarely been witnessed before, let me be the first to suggest that you take your thoughts, opinions and less than respectful comments elsewhere.  Reading some of the comments you made on the site referenced in your original post & the ones above leads me to believe that you are most likey the most liked, listened to and respected person in a group of one.

A quick search should be able to locate a Cat Haters Club where you can bond with others of similar mental stature.

Please be careful of the door.   Wouldn't want it to hit you on the way out.  

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Watching ignorant fools cough ...

Hal Fast wrote:
Reading some of the comments you made on the site referenced in your original post & the ones above leads me to believe that you are most likey the most liked, listened to and respected person in a group of one.

I'm not on this planet to win some little girl's popularity contest. You might, but I'm certainly not.

"You can't blow the dust away without making a lot of ignorant fools cough."

Bye!

 

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If anybody's coughing, it might be from the dust stirred up under the hantavirus factory in someone's garage.  If you're also experiencing nausea, vomiting and shortness of breath, see your health care provider immediately.

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out of all the places i've

out of all the places i've been, se ohio and central kansas have the worst cat problems i've seen.

there days i shot as many as 19 cats. i've seen as many as 20 in one field at a time. all in ohio. once it was truly becoming a problem, my dad called me up when i was in college and ask me to come home to take care of a cat problem. i went home with my roomate and together we shot 14 cats and 9 groundhogs... on the first morning. i bet i've had years of over 100. and the state does nothing.

i did notice that once i stopped killing coyotes, the cat problem was WAY less significant.

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Cats Perceived As Dangerous to Predators

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i did notice that once i stopped killing coyotes, the cat problem was WAY less significant.

I'll bet if you go back and check that all the cats with bold patterns and stripes have survived.

No animals that *should* be predators of cats will even go near them here. Bold stripes and patterns are a universal symbol to all wildlife EVERYWHERE, from insects, to all life in the ocean, to all life on land, that that animal is toxic or uses other hidden defense mechanisms. It's how animals have been able to remain in balance in the natural world. At least wildlife are honest with one another, unlike humans and their cats. It would take eons of adaptation before native species put them on their preferred prey list, and ONLY if cats all merged into one bland coat-pattern eventually, and ONLY if they didn't get sick from all the potentially deadly diseases that cats now carry too. Wildlife not eating cats might be the only thing that's saving wildlife from even faster mass-destruction by cats at this point.

When I tried to make use of cat-carcasses by trying to feed them to the wildlife here, they'd only go up and sniff it then run away from it. (Witnessed first-hand in my yard, I have many resident wild raccoons and foxes that will even take a treat out of my hand.) I first suspected they were sensing the deadly diseases in the cats, but knowing what I do about all wildlife and the nature-of-nature, I realized it was the cats' coat-coloring patterns that was causing this. They wouldn't eat them if alive or even dead. The ONLY cat any of them ever ate was all all-gray cat. Which is what made me finally realize why the wild animals here were reacting as they had. (Then those animals that ate that gray-cat carcass never came to my yard again. If only I had known then what I know now about the deadly diseases that cats carry, I would have never tried to feed cat-meat to any wild animal.)

 

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Why TNR (trap, neuter, release) and Cat Advocates Even Exist ...

Why TNR (trap, neuter, release) and Cat Advocates Even Exist ...

Toxoplasmosis: Behavioral changes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis#Behavioral_changes

It has been found that Toxoplasma gondii parasite is capable of changing the brains of whatever organism it infests. In mice, they lose the fear of cats and are even attracted to cat-urine. Making the asexual portion of the Toxoplasma gondii life-cycle faster to complete in order to replicate more quickly into its sexual reproduction phase in all host cats. This loss of fear and apprehension manifesting itself in humans in a similar manner, even when common-sense tells them they should depend on that sense of fear or doubt for their own survival.

Here are other ways that this parasite have been known to alter the thinking patterns of humans: http://wildlifeprofessional.org/blog/?p=3929

I strongly suspect that it might even be responsible for all cat-lovers' wholly contradictory behavior of putting cats, all other animals, and even all humans in harm's-way through their adamant insistence of promoting TNR programs, just to ensure the survival and spread of more Toxoplasma gondii parasites throughout the food-chain and in more humans. They are, in effect, being controlled against all reason and common-sense by the very parasite that is reproducing in their cats.

The stuff that sci-fi used to be made of comes to reality. Real-life "pod-people". They can't think nor reason beyond the need of ensuring the survival and proliferation of Toxoplasma gondii. It won't let them.

Get tested for T. gondii if you are defending these invasive-species cats' lives. You're actually obeying parasites in your brain. You no longer think and reason like a human, ignoring all common-sense.

 

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