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Caliber for black bear?

I like the slower moving, heavier cals for bear. Ideally, you'd like the bullet to remain inside the animal just on the opposite side shoulder, Good controlled expansion, but not a shattered or deflected bullet. I just believe that anything that shoots at true magnum velocities just won't accomplish this as well as a heavier slower moving cal. A 180 or 200 grain 30-06 or 35 whelen or a 400 grain 45/70 (other extreme) seem to be the ideal end limits for black bear (30-06 being the smaller and faster limit, 45/70 being the bigger and slower). I understand and know that a 300 weatherby, or 7 mm mag shooting 150 grain bullets will kill a bear, or anything for that matter with proper placement, but it's uneeded velocity and you don't want that bullet shattering on the shoulder. Also, bigger holes equal bloodier and easier tracking. However, when using a larger cal. on bear at close range, whether it be 358 or 416, you usually won't have to look too hard for the sucker. Bigger bullets mean fewer lost animals.

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Re: Caliber for black bear
blackbear wrote:
sawbill wrote:
The solution to a good black bear cartridge is really very simple. Diameter and velocity. Small bears go down fairly easy but big bears don't so they need something that punches.
Unfortunately leaving a bear til next day usually results in lost meat. But that happens when theres little blood trail to follow--typical of smaller calibers and bullets that break up and don't exit.
A neck shot on a bear with a large caliber should put the bear down. A vitals shot, lung/heart with a small caliber often results in lost bears but a lung/heart shot with a large caliber with some velocity will also put the bear down.

I agree with Sawbill, you can't put big boars in the same class as "average" bears. A big Black Bear boar is more like a Grizzley than a 130 pound bear of it's own kind. There are 400-500 pound black bear out there. These are the bears that get wounded and are never recovered, the hunter scratching his head wondering why his good old deer rifle failed him.

While I agree with both posts quoted above, I still belive that shot placement is key. My deer/elk/bear rifle is a .270 and every elk or bear hit with a double lung shot has died quickly.

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Caliber for black bear?

.....I would think one should use at least a 30caliber with no less than 180 grain ,but what ever the choice it can't make up for a well placed shot ! both are important Thumbs up so take your time and aim before you squeeze!

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Caliber for black bear?
Dan K wrote:
I saw a fella empty his rifle of every round in it and not pull the trigger once! Yes He couldn't understand why the deer didn't go down. Then he said,"My sights must be off. Laugh There were three of us watching this whole thing, keeping a stright face, right up till he mentioned the sights. Laugh Laugh Laugh
Dan

...sounds like a classic case of "buck fever " lol i seen it happen exact same way guy ejected all his shells on the ground and never fired a shot Yes

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Caliber for black bear?

I still dont know how that happens to people I guess its just in the gene pool. I remember hearing a story about a guy that almost froze too death because he got buck fever.

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Location: austin and amarillo texas
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Caliber for black bear?

Surely that type thing only happens on a fella's first hunt fort a particular type of game, or while hunting dangerous game. I remember having buck fever the first time I looked down the scope at a big (seemed huge at the time at least) white tail buck.

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I had buck fever three years ago. It was so bad it messed up my season. Got to keep your thoughts clear. Funny thing too, it must be contagious. My hunting partner that year caught it too. He tracked this one deer that year for two hours in the snow, and claimed that the buck just disappeared into thin air. Laugh Laugh Laugh That was too much for me. lol

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Sounds like fun boys.

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