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I will have to agree with Billythekidrock on this one. .270 is about perfect. I got my first bear this spring on a drawn tag. After hunting 48 days out of the 60 day season I got all 125 pound of him. The .300 winne mag was serious over kill for a bear. expecially of this size. The 180 gr Nosler Partition caught him just below the jaw at 75 yds and flipped him over killing him instantly. nearly decapitating the poor little fart.

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Why did you shoot the fart in the face There are better places to shoot a bear ya know, Like behind the shoulder

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Maddenwh, thank you, thank you, thank you. I agree fully on the heavy calibers. Every year I see bears lost by guys shooting those smaller calibers and I get the same song and dance for excuses. I could fill a book with them. While they're fine on lighter bodied game, bears are a different matter entirely and many first time bear hunters just aren't prepared mentally. Usually they take half a dozen deer a year in their home state and figure a bear is just another kill. And while you always get the, "Yeah but I know a guy who's taken 40 bears with the 270," no one ever admits to the poor animals they've never recovered.
I've been on way too many late night fruitless tracking episodes to make me a convert on those light calibers.

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I said 30 cals.

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I advocate the same principal on all game... no such thing as too much gun.

Sawbill- glad you agree. The fast movers, in my book, are nearly good for nothin' other than long shots at antelope, elk, and deer. And as far as that is concerned, I think way too many people take way too many shots at lengths they aren'e prepared to handle...equals a lot of misses, lost deer, and slow deaths. I often use a 45/70 on deer. Regarding black bear, you almost never have a shot further than 100 yards. I'd rather someone use a muzzle loader with a big slow moving bullet than a 270 that pokes a little bitty whole and goes right out the other end. If, however, a 270 is to be the caliber chosen, use the fattest, heaviest bullet available and hit him in the heart or lungs.

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Both philosophies work. Slow and heavy, Fast and light. Both have their benefits and drawbacks and both need familiarity to the user. Practice, practice, practice. There aren't any guarantees with either school.

Myself, I like to hunt. When it's modern rifle season in the lower 48. It's time to pull out one of the 30 cals. Each set up with a different bullet and sight configuration for the terrain I will encounter on that particular hunt.

I believe the type of rifle and action is as important as the round.
(example) Taking a 24" barreled 300wm mag into a rainforest will work but, a 20" barreled 308win or 45/70 would be easier to deal with and more than sufficient.

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I would like to say I have a different selection of gun for every different hunt but Im not sure I would want that. I have totall faith in my 30-06 and Ive only hunted all big game animals in ontario and never really tryed it on other animals out of my province but Im sure it would do just fine. I find hunting with one gun for a long period of time like fuzzy said practice practice practice is always the best method. In my eyes once Im in the zone out there in the wilderness I have one best friend my rifle and shes never let me down yet. I've have had plenty of people tell me the kind of rifle I use has had problems with jams well in the last 4 years of me owning it Ive shot it atleast 1000 times if not more not to mention the amount of shells that have went through the barrel at the range and god to honest truth I have never had a jam (maybe just the immaculate condition Ive kept her in and the amount of oilings made the difference but I think for my next 40 years of hunting if not more that 30-06 will be at my side.
Getting used to your firearm and when your holding it it feels like an extension of your limbs I think is one of the best feelings about being in the bush if your not totally comfortable with your firearm get a new one that you will be comfortable with and have total trust in just my point of view.

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If a person gets rattled it makes little difference what rifle he's shooting, but if he is calm it does absolutely make a great difference what he is shooting! Gut shot is gut shot with anything! eye roll

Anyone who thinks a 270 Win is going to kill a big black bear, or make a good blood trail with a pass through as does something like a 338 Win Mag, or a 375 H&H, is fooling himself! You can talk till your out of breath, and it changes nothing.

With equal placement, the first thing needed is, a big bullet, that punches through from any angle, regardless of bones hit. In the first place, there is no rifle that is going to reliably give you a good blood trail on a bear of any kind, be he brown, white, of black. Any bear can take horrendous wounds, and leave little, or no blood evidence at all, because of his loose hide, and copious layers of fat under the skin. He bleeds, mostly, under the skin, and internally.

The key is to slap him flat on his butt, with the first shot, and as soon as you can work the bolt, lever, or place you finger on the back trigger of a double rifle, you shoot him again, then watch him for a long while, with your rifle ready to slip him another one if he even twitches.

I hunt mostly Africa, Alaska, and Canada, and dangerous game is my quary, and for any bear in North America, IMO, there is no substitute for a 250 to 300 gr controled expansion bullet @ 2150 to 2600 fps poked through the boiler-room closely followed by a second one just like the first one!

Simply because a rifle will, and has killed black bear, doesn't make it the best choice for that operation. Ruark said it best! "USE ENOUGH GUN!" , and I say use enough gun, and put the best bullet you can afford in the right place, then pay the insuarance, with a second shot. I believe we owe the animals we hunt, a quick death, with as little chance of loseing him to suffer a long lengering death as is posible! Thumbs up

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Duga can I ask you a question: Do you think a 180gr bullet is not enough for any bear? yes or no and why?
Because I think it is. Plenty of bullet.

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atomikall wrote:
Duga can I ask you a question: Do you think a 180gr bullet is not enough for any bear? yes or no and why?
Because I think it is. Plenty of bullet.

YES!, Atomkill it is enough bullet for any Bear, or elephant, "IF" it gets to the vitals, and puts the bear down for the count with the first shot, and is followed up very quickly with another one just as well placed. The catch to that is, if it doesn't hit the vital organ dirrectly, it is likely to let a bear get into the weeds, where he is a bitch to follow up, and dangerous as heck when you find him. The weight of the bullet is not the only thing that matters. If any bullet is not moveing fast enough, and well constructed well enough, especially light bullets like the 180 gr bullets, to stay together, and penetrate deep enough. Deep enough, regardless of what bone and sinue is in it's way before reaching a killing organ,then "NO" it is not enough.

The fact is that a larger, well constructed bullet, at a slower speed will penetrate better than a smaller bullet going faster, and will push through some heavy bone on the way.

Gotta go, pick up my grand daughter, more later !

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