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Location: Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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Lets stir this discussion up some more! I contend that it isn't WHAT you shoot a bear with but WHERE you hit them that counts. I have taken nine bears - one with a shotgun and slug, two with bow and arrow and six with a rifle. None went more than fifty feet after the shot and most droped in their tracks, including one arrow shot bear. Archers kill many bears, including very big bears every year with sharp arrows. It really isnt necessary to shoot some super magnum, just shoot straight! A bear guide that I worked with last fall had several clients wound bear, including one man who wounded a bear two different nights at a range of fifteen feet! He was shooting a 30 06 with 180 gr bullets. If you are not confident sitting at a bear bait or afraid of the bear you are not likely to shoot straight.

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Location: ontario
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Where you hit 'em is the whole issue! But who will ever admit to getting the jitters and making a lousy shot while staring at a bear 20 yards away? I do know this. Every year those guys seem to end up at in my camp because at the end of the hunt, there's always wounded bears. The only good thing I suppose is that my neighbor gets more than his fair share of poor shooters as well.
Thats why I push the heavier calibers.

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K let me clear one thing up as well, if you have a good shot you have a good shot if you dont and you keep wounding animals instead of getting them first shot then I suggest hitting the range a little more. I also agree with the guy that said if your scared of them you should'nt be hunting them whats the point of hunting an animal that scares you everytime you see one. Take up another means of big game hunting people that are scared of bears should downright not be hunting them. On the other hand if your not scared and just missing its gotta be because you have not been honing in the old skills you should be. I cant express this enough take your time when shooting always make sure where your shooting and where the vitals are. Dont take a shot you know your going to miss, why take the shot so you can wound it and never find it. Ive shot more then my fair share of bears and trust me there are alot tuffer animals in the bush than a bear if you hit them where it counts there going down whether they want to or not and Ive also taken bears with a 12 guage and slug. Canadian challenger cutter slugs to be exact and they also work on deer because last year my cousin also took a spike horn with one and both animals were done in one shot. It isnt the calibre that matters its the shooter and his skills to be carefull, aim right and take the animal down most of the time with only one shot (sure we all dont exactally hit the spot we are aiming for everytime but usually some where around that area will atleast take it down for the 5 count giving us enough time to take another. ANY CALIBRE FROM 25 UP IS GOOD- BUT ARE YOU GOOD ENOUGH.

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Location: ontario
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I don't believe its about honing your skills if you'e talking about shooting ability. The only way to improve there is punch holes in paper. The problem is guys who get on a stand then when a bear comes in, get the shakes. Guys get the shakes with deer as well so it really has nothing to do with fear. The only way to hone those skills is sit in a treestand with the intention of not shooting until you're calm enough to make a proper shot. And if you don't get the shakes occasionally, then whats the use of hunting because the excitements gone out of it for you. Its really about controlling those emotions before pulling the trigger, don'tcha think?

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Location: Northern Minnesota
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It is too bad that some individuals can not express their opinion without feeling the need to put others down for expressing their opinion.

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I didnt say you dont get the shakes in your body all the adrenelin rushing through your body but some people learn to control it, When the time comes Im not sure about you but I can. Im sure my granfather would say he has No problem either controlling it and putting the deer down in front of his stand if the right one comes along. Everyone knows if they've hunted what a rush it is but you can tame that rush and when the shots over its still there your heart is pumping outta your chest your knees shaking and the overwhelming happiness you feel all comes into one thats the best rush to me anyway I dont know how other people feel but thats gotta be high on every hunters list of best times of your life.

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I saw a fella empty his rifle of every round in it and not pull the trigger once! Yes He couldn't understand why the deer didn't go down. Then he said,"My sights must be off. Laugh There were three of us watching this whole thing, keeping a stright face, right up till he mentioned the sights. Laugh Laugh Laugh
Dan

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LOL what was wrong with him? You mean he was reloading without even shooting?

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Location: austin and amarillo texas
Joined: 07/21/2007
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Taken three black bears. One with a 350 grain 45/70... sucker dropped like he was hit by a bus (it was an amped up load out of a ruger #1 that tagged him straight in the chest under the chin). I killed another with a 350 remington magnum 673 guide gun. Shot him in the shoulder, and he made it maybe 60 yards. The last one I shot was with my favorite 358 winchester BLR. Hit him square in the shoulder as well, and he didn't make it much further than my 350 bear did. My point, if one uses a big enoguh pill with ample velocity, one has a little leeway with imperfect shot placement. I've always advocated the 35 cals, and I don't think there is any better for black bear. Bullet size, to me, seems more relevant than super magnum velocities with black bear (usually shorter shots). Next one I'm going after will be shot with my ruger 338 federal (210 grainers). Sounds like good bear medicine to me.

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hah me too Thumbs up

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