I have used a .270. I hunt in very thick brush and swamp. I have tracked a few black bear for my family and with my son-in-law who is a guide. I have 2 bear rifles now, a 338 Win. Mag. and a 450 Marlin. The main thing I want from a bear gun, is that it make 2 holes. Without an exit hole blood trails can be mighty sparse. I have never heard a successful hunter complain that his gun had too much power. Just my opinion.
Unless you are hunting coastal blacks in Alaska or BC, where they can be huge, the 270 or 7.08 are fine for bears. Use tough premium bullets, like Barnes X, Trophy Bonded, or Nosler Partitions and you will be fine if you make a good shot as you should. My 7.08 with Federal Premium 140 grain Nosler Partitions took 2 good bears this spring with no problems. However, with all that being said, if you have a bigger caliber and you feel more confident with it, go for it, since you can't kill them too dead. Good luck on your hunt!
well i don't have personal expirience with either, but i know more than a few guys who use the .270 on bear with good results. the 7mm-08, i know one guy who owns one but he doesn't hunt bears so i can't say for sure how it works but if how if how it did for moose is an indicator it will do especialy if you hand load.
7mm stw ruins a black bear's day and thats with factory 140 grain pills.
I'm adamant about my take on the 270 for bears. Its a 'make do' choice at best and if you have anything in 30 caliber, then use that instead. Most guys won't factor in their inability to wait out a perfect shot and thats where the 270 fails dismally. The 277 dia is a small entrance hole and likely theres no exit wound as the factory 270 bullet selections are inapropriate for bears. Read up on the recommended calibers for bears--270 is seldom mentioned by qualified hunters. As an outfitter, I don't want to see the rifle in my camp because I know it generally means another long night tracking.
Sawbill, The biggest black bear I have ever seen in the wild came into my bait several years ago. My son shot a 250 pounder earlier that season with a model 94 30-30. He dropped it with a spinal shot. My bear was at least twice that size. I dropped it with my .270 B.A.R. I stood and held the crosshairs on it , he did not even twitch. I sat back down. His first movement brought him to his feet and into thick brush before I could raise my rifle. My son-in-law is a guide and he came out to help track 3 hours after I shot the bear . At midnight we stopped for the night. The next morning after a total of 6 hours, we had covered about 150 yards before the trail disappeared. ,)
My next bear went down and stayed down. I shot it with a .338 Win. Mag. This year I purchased a Marlin 1895MR (.450 Marlin). To each, his own. I don't intend to let another bear suffer a slow death .
My .270 has killed 16 black bears ranging from 125 lbs to 440 lbs. Most with 150 grns, but some with 130 & 140 grns. The issue is your ability.
Can you shoot?
Can you wait for the right shot?
Are you confident in your equipment and your ability?
Most of the long tracking, or waiting until morning horror stories that I have heard or seen come from guys shooting 300 mag/super/deluxe/custom type rifles. Whether it is lack of ability, scared of bears, scared of recoil or what I don't know.
But if you are confident in your self and your equipment you will be fine.
I totally agree with the guy that said to use a 30 calibre rifle on bears almost everytime I have shot a bear it has went down with one shot and only about 5 feet from where I have shot it with the exception of the one I shot 3 years ago it went about 15 feet and ran directly into a tree. I say use a 30 cal. My choices .303 .308 30.06 with a 150 to 180 gr bullet you will not be unsatisfied with the overall success that these 3 calibres offer. I myself dont like to hunt bear with a rifle that has not proved itself worthy to take the bear down one shot.
Alot of you make good points about bigger calibers making up for less than great shooting to a certain degree. It is also good to point out that accuracy and killer instinct are vital. Last spring in bear camp, when my 7.08 took two bears cleanly, the other two gun hunters both never found the bears they shot, one with a 45/70 and one with a 30/06. The lesson learned was that they guys simply lacked the killer instinct to make the shot when in counted.
Over the years I have seen several elk and deer hides left in the woods by hunters and I have to wonder why they do this? I fully understand and agree about getting the hide off the animal as soon as possible to cool the meat, but why not pack out the hide with you and use it? As far as I know there are no state laws that require you to take the hide home, but to me why waste such a beautiful part of the animal? Some might think they have no use for the hide or it costs too much to tan....