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June 4, 2009
A New Beginning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaxZPiiKyMw

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/05/world/middleeast/05prexy.html?_r=3&par...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8082730.stm

Global views, click on interactive map
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8083751.stm

http://www.csmonitor.com/

http://features.csmonitor.com/globalnews/2009/06/04/pakistan-obama-seems...

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I saw that speech and just sat in awe at the amazing resilience of our country.

We took a tremendous shock on 9/11, as terrorists chanting "Allahu Akhbar" rammed airliners full of terrified innocent passengers into buildings full of terrified occupants. The whole country recoiled in horror and reached out to make sure family members were safe.

We then counted our dead and arose with a fierce commitment to fight and rid the world of Islamist terrorists for good.

And here we are, a mere seven years later, and we've recovered to the point where we would elect a president named Hussein who would greet the Muslim world with "Salaam Aleykum", quote from the Quran, embrace his Muslim heritage, and declare the US one of the world's largest Muslim nations.

Nothing can quench the indominable American spirit. It really touches my heart to see how this country can move beyond past horrors and hold to its values.

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Sick ::sick:

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jrsimplot did you really watch the speach? Or just listen to someone talk about it on right wing radio? Because nowhere in it do I hear mention of the US being one of the worlds largest Muslim Nations.

I'm not sure what side of the political spectrum you come from but I've always urged people to join the fact based community. Did I miss it somehow? Perhaps you could tell me what paragraph he said that?

Transcript
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-C...

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pangolin wrote:
jrsimplot did you really watch the speach? Or just listen to someone talk about it on right wing radio? Because nowhere in it do I hear mention of the US being one of the worlds largest Muslim Nations.

I'm not sure what side of the political spectrum you come from but I've always urged people to join the fact based community. Did I miss it somehow? Perhaps you could tell me what paragraph he said that?

Transcript
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-at-Cairo-University-6-04-09/

Seems Gutfield mentioned the "largest muslim nation" thing. I was actually listening for it, but didn't hear it. Anyway, I thought Obama's speach was pretty good in general. The overall psuedo-religeosity of it kinda made me want to do this: Sick , but I understand what he's doing, trying to build a positive rapport with Muslim nations based on something besides oil and terrorism. That's probably a good idea, but the extremists will still hate us and our allies and want to blow us up. He didn't seem to have any particular illusions about that.

As I've said before, I disagree with a lot of what he's done so far domestically, but his foreign policy has been pretty reasonable, IMO.

One thing's for certain, that guy is one heck of a public speaker.

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sad There you go again with the disingenuous behavior again, pangolin. As I said before, you waste a lot of time staking out ridiculous positions instead of discussing genuine issues. I didn't claim that he said it in the speech, but I claimed that he said it -- which he did with an interview with Laura Haim on Canal Plus French TV ahead of the speech. Since when is the White House Press Secretary considered right wing radio?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Transcript-of-the-Interview-o...

He made the comment in paragraph 13 in response to the third question. To answer your question, yes, I think you missed the fact based community.

The point I'm making here is that rather that taking the ridiculous position of denying that he said it, we should embrace it and recognize the remarkable healing that has taken place in the US. A few years ago there would have been an enormous outcry if the president had said some of these things, and yet today his comments are met with applause. We've moved on. Does that upset you?

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jr - while I may not agree with all you say, I must laud your ability to tackle controversial issues in a non-combative manner.

You obvious have liberal leanings, but you tend to look at the entire issue from many different angles.

Your fellow liberals could learn a thing or two from you about opening a dialogue as opposed to jamming a point a view down other's throats.

You are very much Obama-like in that you extend the hand of friendship with your words that bridges the gap between diverse groups.

Obama's speech united Americans and Arabs in a common goal - drive the Israelis out of the West Bank (not really serious - just poking a bit).

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The world is full of facts both pleasant and unpleasant. Trying to pretend facts don't exist in a political debate is like walking across a battlefield thinking bullets won't hurt you because they don't exist.

You win by out-boxing your opponent, not by running around the ring screaming about how bad a$$ you are and trying not to get hit. Personally, I refuse to be Monty Python's black knight.

President Obama is charting a bold new course for America, and I'm sure that the bad guys of the world will rapidly embrace peace when they realize we're not a threat to them.

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jrsimplot wrote:
I'm sure that the bad guys of the world will rapidly embrace peace when they realize we're not a threat to them.

I don't know how you can come to that conclusion. Hatred for America runs pretty deep and simply saying that its all ok - does not make it so!

Don't get me wrong, we need to open up a dialogue with the middle east - but at the same time not let our guard down.

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jrsimplot wrote:
I'm sure that the bad guys of the world will rapidly embrace peace when they realize we're not a threat to them.

Oh, man. Please tell me you don't REALLY think that. If so, I'm respectfully going to have to ask you to step away from the bong... dude.

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Yeah...look how well the timid approach worked for Neville Chamberlain. And then there's Saddam's decision to go ahead and invade Kuwait because he didn't think we'd do anything.

Nobody ever got a bully to be peaceful by backing down and accomodating him. Look at what North Korea's pulling right now -- it ain't 'cause they're afraid of us. It's because they smell weakness and lack of resolve.

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