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OK, yeah I know most of you generally don't like to answer these types of questions, but here goes anyway. Upon my wife's suggestion (yes, y'all read it right), I'm going shopping!!!! Anyway, my debate is between 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag. The jist of it is that it's my understanding that the 7 mag has a narrower shock/bruise channel through the animal, but there is a broader spectrum of rounds for the .300 win mag. (7 mag - 139 gr. to 175 gr.; .300 win mag - 150 gr. - 200gr.) Just curious as to what y'all thought. Thanks for any input.

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It really depends on what you're looking for so I'll give you a list of pros for each rifle compared to the other.

7mm Rem mag
Pros - Lighter, less recoil, cheaper ammo, less meat damage due to less shock and smaller hole, trajectory indentical

300 Win mag
Pros - More energy at short and long range, bigger caliber which means bigger hole, heavier bullets with identical trajectory

This is a basic list just to give you an idea. Between the 2 I prefer the 7mm mag for the pros above and its enough gun to take everything I hunt which includes elk.

[ This Message was edited by: rather_be_huntin on 2003-06-09 12:20 ]

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Don't forget recoil. If recoil is not an issue for you then go for the 300 because you will be able to use it on the biggest of biggame.

If recoil is an issue for you go for the 7mm. There is no need to sacrifice accuracy (flinching) for the sake of shooting a bigger round. A 175 grain bullet in 7mm will be lethal for elk, like RatherBe said.

If you are looking for greater range of rounds in a 7mm, think about:

Win Short Mag
Rem Ultra Mag
Rem SA Ultra Mag

all are available with 100 grain to 175 grain rounds as opposed to the Rem Mag.

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Well most guides I know in the states of Montana, Wyoming and Idaho use a 7mm mag with either the 160 or 175 grain bullet.

It is a great caliber and less recoil, which has already been mentioned, that can mean the difference between scoring on a bull elk or missing at the 300 yard or further out mark. I have used both and find the 300 mag to be more to my liking on big bulls far out across a canyon, it hits harder and quartering shots are never a problem with a good premium bullet.

If your NOT recoil shy, then I say latch on to a good 26 inch barrel 300 Win mag, 300 Ultra has a lot more kick per pound to offer you. I like the 300 win mag using the 200 grain Nosler partition bullet, hard to beat for taking big game. The 300 mag has a lot more energy to deliver to the animal over the 7mm mag, but one must be able to handle it's roar when the trigger is pulled.

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well i looked into your selection the .300 mag and the .7mag well i have a .270 and a .300 as well as a .30/06. For up to brown bear id rather use an ought six- because i believe the .7 mag has more recoil in the rifles that i shot it out of vs. my .30/06 i have a tikka t3 and the .7mag i shot was a savage. you can get ammo any where for an 06 and it has plenty of energy for all but an elephant even know they been killed with an 06- im not an advocate of any caliber cause im only 15 and have not seen all the rounds take down game in the field how ever i have shot every current production cartridge there is and i have had a few i liked and the .300 was one of them until i got my ought six.

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Reduced Recoil Loads are available in 300 Win Mag, 7mm Mag, 30-06, 308 Win, and 270 Win.

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Another comparison is in terms of penetration on big game. A 7mm Rem Mag 160 grain bullet departs the muzzle (fired from a factory load) at 2950 fps and 3090 ft-lbs. A typical 300 Win Mag 180 departs the muzzle at 2960 fps and 3501 ft-lbs. At 200-300 yards and beyond, they are both quite close. The 7mm 160 has an SD of .283, while the 300's 180 has an SD of .271. As far as performance on big game is concerned, there are no practical differences between the two.

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therookie wrote:
OK, yeah I know most of you generally don't like to answer these types of questions, but here goes anyway. Upon my wife's suggestion (yes, y'all read it right), I'm going shopping!!!! Anyway, my debate is between 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag. The jist of it is that it's my understanding that the 7 mag has a narrower shock/bruise channel through the animal, but there is a broader spectrum of rounds for the .300 win mag. (7 mag - 139 gr. to 175 gr.; .300 win mag - 150 gr. - 200gr.) Just curious as to what y'all thought. Thanks for any input.

Kupe

Ballistic wise, a 7mm Remingon Mag shooting a 175 gr. Super-X® Power-Point bullet vs a 300 win mag shooting a 180 gr. Super-X® Power-Point, the 300 win mag is about 100 feet per second faster out of the muzzle. That is like comnparing a 30-06 to a 308 Winchester. But at 500 yards the 175 grain 7 mag bullet is travleing 140 feet per second faster than the 300 win mags 180.

The 300 win mag might have an edge for the bigger elks because of the 200 grain bullet availibility.

Below are links to both ballistics charts for both calibers.
Josh

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=X30WM2&...

http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/cfrdetail.aspx?symbol=X7MMR2&...

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Comparing a 175 grain 7mm bullet to a 30 caliber 180 grain bullet is comparing apples to oranges. For the 175, we're talking about a sectional density well over .300, making it about equal to a .30 cal 200 grain bullet.

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the weight of the bullet is much more important in ballistics than its density,its pretty simple. Thumbs up

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No it's not ''pretty simple.'' They do not work the same way. They are completely different. The ballistic coefficients and sectional densities are *ahem* much more important in bullet performance than just their weight alone. Thumbs up

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