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bummer

I went to the range for the first time today. I didn't accomplish anything besides wasting ammo and getting a sore shoulder.  I thought I would have been a little bit more prepared on knowing how to sight my rifle in.  I'm a little frustrated.

My first three shots at 25 yards were little low and to the right. Rangemaster said I could only take three or four shots there, so I couldn't spend a lot of time at that particular area of the range. The 50 yard range was too busy so I walked on by the hundred yard range.  A big mistake, I should have waited until a spot opened up.  I never even got close to the bulls-eye.

It's pretty embarrassing not knowing how to use the scope you have. 

The knob on top=elevation. The knob on side=windage. The elevation knob has the U with arrow pointing counter-clockwise.  The windage knob has the R going in same direction.  Both knobs have 1 cm clicks. 

So my first 3 shots hit low and right of center.  Lets say 3 down 4 over.  My sheets are 1/4 inch squares. Which way do I turn the knobs to get my point of impact center?

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Not sure on the 1cm clicks as

Not sure on the 1cm clicks as most scopes are 1/4 inch click at 100 yards. If you were 4 squares to the right at 25 yards meaning 1 inch then you wqould be 4 inches to thte right at 100 yards and need 16 clicks to the left to bring it over. And 12 clicks up to bring it up.

Also shoot at least 3 shots before making adjustments to get group center as you're not sure yet how well the rifle shoots.

Hope that helps.

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Hunter has you on the right

Hunter has you on the right track but I have a couple of questions for you.

On your scope did you or did you have someone else mount it and was it bore sighted? Also if you did the mounting did you use locktite on all of the screws and clean the screw holes with a degreaser before they were installed?

One thing that you can try at home. Take the bolt out of the rifle and either out in your yard place a target at 25 yards, or inside where you have as much distance as you can place the rifle on a table with the rifle supported with sandbags. Then look through the bore of the rifle and see where it is pointed and without moving the rifle look through the scope. Your scope should be targeted at the same location. If not you can adjust the scope to where it and the bore are in the same area. Or take your rifle down to a shop that mounts scopes and see if they will bore sight it for you. This should put you on target at 100 yards.

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bummer

I mounted the scope myself using isopropyl alcohol to clean the screw holes and red locktite to hold the screws that came with the scope.

It's been bore sighted.  I leveled the scope with Wheeler's level level level kit.

I'll see if it's stiil bore sighted though at an old friends property soon. 

And the kicker was one the polymer tips of a bullet came off inside the magazine chamber.  And now it's stuck inside a recess that I can't get to unless I drop the whole assembly.  GRRRR !!!!!

So on the elevation knob.  If its turned in the direction that imply's U (up),  the cross hairs will move up?  And the same as the windage knob,  if it's turned in the direction clockwise R (right), the cross hairs will move to the right?

(the custom dial I'll get from Leupold will have 1/4 in. increments)

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The "U" is moving the strike

The "U" is moving the strike of the bullet. Moving the crosshairs is really moving the strike of the bullet. Pretty good way to understand it is to shoot a bullet in to a target at 25yds. Then get your rifle supported very well on gags ar some kind or rest. Now look thru the scope and put your crosshairs on the bullet hole in the paper. Holding the rifle still, keep looking thru the scope and move the crosshairs to the center bull. What's moving is the bullet hole! Next shot you fire could be shot at 100yds and you'll be on target. Adjust then to put the group where you want it. I use three shot group's. Lot of guy's like five shot groups. Best shot you will get is the first one. Shoot three and likely as not the animal got away. Seldom will you ever get five shot's. But firing five shot's certainly hurt's nothing and if the load is gonna walk around it'll show a lot better with five shots than three and better yet at ten shots.

BTW, I also bore sight at the 25yd target. Frustrating if you just go ahead and sshoot at 25yds and can't hit the target. Also, I put screw's on with red loctight only one time. Had to take the thing to a gunsmith to get the screws out and mount a new scope. He told be to get blue loctight, shoot, I've never seen blue. I don't put anything on the screw's anymore and have no trouble with it. If you wanted, probably a small dab of wood glue would do as well as anything.

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That sucks that you never got

That sucks that you never got it dialed in.  As for the red loc-tite, i hope you never want to take that scope off. Blue is better as mentioned above. Personally i use a drop of G96 to lube the screws  a bit and torque them down. I dont like them dry when they are getting tight. Never had any problems with them coming loose on my 338.

 I also cut a 1"/ 30MM piece of black electrical tape and put it on the tube of the scope where it will sit in the ring, that way its not metal on metal and the ring grips the tube better and there is NO movement ever. Just my preference

 

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I'll get er'

I'm not all that concerned about getting her dialed in. I've got a silver dollar size bruise around my armpit, and shot $70 worth of ammo, but it was still fun. I just need to figure out the dials.

Now about the polymer tip stuck in the magazine/trigger chamber. There's two hex allen screws in it. Is that gonna be a problem to drop that, fish it out, and get it back in ya think?

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2 Hex Heads

PapaSzakal wrote:

 

Now about the polymer tip stuck in the magazine/trigger chamber. There's two hex allen screws in it. Is that gonna be a problem to drop that, fish it out, and get it back in ya think?

 If you're talking about the 2 hex screws on the under side of your rifle that hold the barrel/stock together, i would pull them out and get that tip out, it's not a big procedure

 

 

  What brand of bullets did you lose a tip from ??  Just curious,

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Did you ??

PapaSzakal wrote:

 

Now about the polymer tip stuck in the magazine/trigger chamber. There's two hex allen screws in it. Is that gonna be a problem to drop that, fish it out, and get it back in ya think?

 

 Hey Papa did you ever get the tip out of your magazine area ???

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WINCHESTER SUPREME

The bullet was a Winchester Supreme Accubond 225 gr.

The rifle is a new Winchester M70.  Those two screws hold the barrel and stock together?   A guy at the range said it was just the trigger assembly. 

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One thing you might want to

One thing you might want to do t initially sight in your rifle is to use standard ammo and not the premium ammo. It'll save you quite a few dollars. Then use the premium ammo for your final sight in for your hunting load.

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