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Oh yeah, they want to sell

Oh yeah, they want to sell you their rifle and scope.  Wonder how much they get for it...bet big bucks.  When I was in Canada goat hunting the outfitter's wife shared a DVD of the Best of the West show that featured them hunting there.  The outfitter's brother Warren guided them.  The episode showed them missing on one goat, but getting the goat with a long shot the next time.

The outfitter filled me in on the rest of the story that wasn't included in the on-air episode.  One, when the guy shot the goat, Warren said very loudly, it's f...ing going to fall.  They edited it out.  They also edited out two other misses for a total of three misses.

And now, you know the rest of the story.

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Oh yeah, they want to sell you their rifle and scope.  Wonder how much they get for it...bet big bucks.  When I was in Canada goat hunting the outfitter's wife shared a DVD of the Best of the West show that featured them hunting there.  The outfitter's brother Warren guided them.  The episode showed them missing on one goat, but getting the goat with a long shot the next time.

The outfitter filled me in on the rest of the story that wasn't included in the on-air episode.  One, when the guy shot the goat, Warren said very loudly, it's f...ing going to fall.  They edited it out.  They also edited out two other misses for a total of three misses.

And now, you know the rest of the story.


I think the scope is around $1100 if I remember correctly...the
rifle I have no idea of the price for it but I wouldn't buy it.
It figures about them missing....it makes you wonder about all the missed deer that aren't shown on these shows or videos.

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It is interesting all this

It is interesting all this talk about bullet performance and what they look like when recovered from a game animal.  In the last 30 years I have recovered 4 bullets from quite a number of elk and deer that I have shot and I couldn't tell you the number that have had passed through the body of the animal.  I had one 150 grain Sierra Game King bullet out of a 7mm Remington traverse the whole body length of a small spike deer.  He was looking at me when I fired and the bullet hit him just below the neck.  It traveled the whole length of his body and ended up in the hind quarters.  Another one was a broadside shot at an elk at 40 yards.  The same make of bullet out of the same rifle stopped on the off side of the elk just under the hide.  The funny thing is that I took an elk the year before with the same round at 150 yards and it passed clean through.  Now both of those bullets mushroomed down to their base with not too much lead left.  The last couple have been with 225 grain Barnes X bullets.  One of them was a head shot on an elk at 500 yards and the other was a raking shot of a bison bull at 200 yards but other than that I can't seam to find any bullets to see what they look like unless I am at the target range shooting newspapers.  I have also shot numerous Nosler bullets both patitions and balistic tips with none of them staying in the animal.  So it really doesn't matter if the shots were close or far for some rounds but others it take a long shot into heavy bone to  find the spent bullet. 

I know for performance and accuracy I have switched just about all of my bullet choices to the Barnes bullets with no complaints at all for shooting out of my .25,.30,7mm, and .338 calibers but I do use the Nosler Balistic tip bullets out of my 7-30 Waters Tompson Contender. 

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What do you like about the

What do you like about the Barnes and how did you settle on them.  I have heard about them, but I have never used one.  I take it you'd recommend trying them?

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The reason we recover our

The reason we recover our fair share of bullets can be attributed to the numbers and the fact that we want to see how a bullet perfroms since we went to all the trouble to work a load up.

In the numbers, I mean we, our core group of hunters, shoot a lot of deer every year. There are six of us that hunt and kill deer on a regular basis. Others in the community bring deer to our camp to clean deer also because we have enclosed shinning shed with hot water. We're roughing it, I know. Hahahaha

The point is our core group of hunters will shoot between 24-42 deer a year. We get to shoot up to six deer on a single license. 4 of those deer tags are either sex tags with the remaining tags being antlerless only tags. In addition, we can buy an unlimited number of antlerless tags, 2 tags for $10.

I've never ran the numbers before but I would guess we retain 5% of the bullets we shoot. So that would be a couple bullets each year which I think is on the conservative side. This year has been slow compared to years past and we have already recovered 2 bullets. One from a 350+ hog shot with 130 grain Remington corelokts and the other from a 155 lb whitetail shot with 160 grain Nosler Accubond.

So, I guess what I'm saying is we shoot a lot of whitetails and recover a good amount of bullets to judge the performance of the bullets we load.

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The performance and accuracy

The performance and accuracy that I am getting with them out does any of the other that I have tried over the years.  I have no problems with them shooting sub MOA out to 600 yards + out of a couple of my rifles.  Also when you talk about a bullet retaining it weight, well Barnes wrote the book on that.  The couple that I have recovered still weigh the same as they did when I shot them.  I have also checked the consistancy of the bullet weights right out of the box and the Barnes are the closest to any that I have tried.  I do know that when I first started to sight in my .340 Weatherby and decide on a bullet for it that the Barnes would group a lot better than either the factory Horady or Noslers.  The funny thing about the Noslers were that they grouped almost exactly 6" off to the side of where the others were grouping.  Now that may just be my rifle but it just doesn't like the Nosler Patition. 

One other thing that I enjoy about the Barnes is that I found a good supply of 185 gr molly coated X bullets for my .340.  I also have them loaded to just under 3400 fps and they will shoot into a 6" group at 800 yards.  I can't get any other bullet to do that. 

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What do you suppose about the

What do you suppose about the bullet design made them group off to the side of the other bullets?  I am sitting here and I can't figure out why a bullet would perform differently than the others like that?  Any ideas?

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