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Bull or Buck?

This could have gone in two forums. I had to pick one, and this is it.

What do you consider harder to hunt in Co. A bull or mature buck muley? Most of the deer seasons are over before the rut starts, so they haven't gotten stupid yet. Not so with the elk.

 

I say the muley is harder. What say you?

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Very tough, but good question !!!

Still Hunter,

The reason this question is a tough one for me is the fact of what type of bull are we talking about. If we are talking about elk and deer being big old giants, than I would say they are both very tough to come by.

I personally feel that a true giant muley is very tough to come by. Especially when they get past that 5 or 6 year old mark and even more so the 7 or 8 year old mark. They very rarely make a mistake and have out witted tons of hunters in there short lives.

Now when it comes to a true giant bull, they can be very elusive also. It takes a little longer to get giant bulls around that 7 to 10 year range and hopefully older. I find tracks of these true giants by themselves most of the time and even when they are heavy in the rut and hook up with there cows they take them and dissapear.

So for me to say one is harder than the other is a hard one for me. I have taken more big bucks than I have big bulls, but my one giant bull makes up for the many big bucks I have taken. I have also taken several decent bulls. So if you look at my track record it is harder to take big bulls. Thumbs up

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I just meant mature animals.

I just meant mature animals. Not the oldest on the mountain. I guess my point is you can hunt the bull during the rut, so it's more accessible. The buck is off by himself, and doesn't have the ladies on his mind yet.

Maybe it's just me. I seem to find bulls easier than bucks. In my unit anyway.

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I'll say taking a large

I'll say taking a large mature buck over the bull.  In 2001 I had a bull tag for a limited entry unit in Utah.  I was over there every weekend from the end of June to September scouting the area out.  Even thoe I had hunted deer there for years hunting elk was different.  Two days before the opening we had 10-15 bulls in one canyon, the next morning we scouted that canyon and decided where we were going to make our stand and marked the trail so that we would be able to find it the next morning.  We were in place by 4 am on the opening and waiting.  At 6:30 a bull started to bugle on the opposite ridge and then at 7:05 he stepped out of the trees.  At 7:06 he was laying on the ground dead.  He was a 7x6 that scored 343 pts and even to this day I wonder if I should of waited to see if I could of found a larger bull. 

What I have found with elk is that you can pattern them.  The hang in the same timber and feed in the same area, they also need water every day and if you can find where they are traveling to water you have it made.  They will do this until they are spooked out of the area, and at times they will not go that far.  Just last year in Utah I was spike hunting in a limited entry area and watched a herd for 5 days.  In 4 out of those 5 days either a cow or a spike bull or both were taken out of that herd.  When the hunt ended that herd was still within a quarter of a mile from where we first spotted them. 

Now a mature mulie buck they know how to hide and not move unless you step on them.  Then after you spook them out they will go a couple of canyons away before they stop.  I have watched them get down on their knees and crawl through brush so thick that you can't walk through it.  I watched a buck do this one time and I shot it twice and it didn't move or fall over.  He was already on the ground when I shot him from above and didn't move.  I took us longer to get into that buck and get him out of that brush than any other deer that I have taken since and his antlers hang on my wall today.  Those buck deer just get smarter with age.   

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Thanks Critter. Except when I

Thanks Critter. Except when I was young hunting with my dad, i've always hunted alone. I begin to wonder if i'm doing something wrong. Years ago I decided that bucks weren't that easy to get. I feel better that it's not me, but they are really that smart.

 

At my age I know i'll have to give up elk hunting soon. it's getting too hard to get the meat out, and the air seems to be getting thinner.  Big smile  I'll be down to hunting just Muley's soon. It's going to be a good challenge.

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Still Hunter:  I have two bad

Still Hunter:  I have two bad knees and one bad ankle and the last two years I have taken 2 cows and one spike bull.  They all were within 50 yards of my 4 wheeler and on both the cows I was by myself.  When I was working I used to tell the people that I was training to work smarter and not harder.  I have moved that idea over to my hunting for elk.  Once you learn their habits in a area you should be able to get one close to a road.  It might take all hunting season but you should be able to do it.  My brother in law is 72 and he'll sit on one spot from daylight to dark and he had taken a elk every year for the last 20 or so years and quite a few of them have been taken out whole.  So there is hope for us old hunters.   

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Yeah, I pass up a lot of

Yeah, I pass up a lot of shots I wouldn't have when I was younger. This will be my first year for a cow. We'll see how that goes.

Being retired and single. All my days are free. I take my dog scouting/hiking in the mountains 365 days a year. I'm afraid to stop in fear I won't be able to get going again. Nobody said getting old was going to be easy. I'm ok as long as I keep moving. If I stop too long I stiffen up like a dead carp.

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You sound like me except you

You sound like me except you have a dog.  I'm single, retired, 58 years old.  I am however planning on a grizzly hunt next May in British Colombia and it looks like I'll be going by myself since everyone that said that they would like to head up there are backing out now that my plans are being made.  Now that is going to be a fun hunt. 

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That does sound like fun.

That does sound like fun. Good luck, and don't miss. Thumbs up

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Deer don't pierce the silence

Deer don't pierce the silence with an identifiable blast of noise that carries for miles when they are rutting but there is nothing like watching tens of mature bucks running around like chickens with their heads' cut off during the peak of their respective rut. If we are talking about a 380 class bull and a 180 class buck... its pretty close in a lot of circumstances but I am going to have to give it to the deer. I have seen way more booner bulls in my short life than I have booner bucks. 

Once again, definitely depends on where and when (big time) but I still give it to the bucks. 

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What's worse, is the deer

What's worse, is the deer aren't in the rut when I hunt them. I'm always afraid of too much snow that late in the year.

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