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Hostage...Dont waste your money at a smith...The reason the managed recoil loads dont cycle is because there isnt enough gas generated to operate the action...And if a Smith actually took it in to do the action job saying thats the reason it wont cycle, then he needs his license pulled and Jailed because he is a blatent liar and stealing your money. Look on the box of those managed recoil loads and it will say it right on it...MAY NOT CYCLE IN SEMI AUTO LOADERS or something to that end. Keep trying different rounds of regular powerd loads till you find one it likes to eat. The managed recoils are strictly for practice and form anyway.

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Hostage...Dont waste your money at a smith...The reason the managed recoil loads dont cycle is because there isnt enough gas generated to operate the action...And if a Smith actually took it in to do the action job saying thats the reason it wont cycle, then he needs his license pulled and Jailed because he is a blatent liar and stealing your money. Look on the box of those managed recoil loads and it will say it right on it...MAY NOT CYCLE IN SEMI AUTO LOADERS or something to that end. Keep trying different rounds of regular powerd loads till you find one it likes to eat. The managed recoils are strictly for practice and form anyway.

Sorry I probably wasn't clear. He didn't indicate the action job would help with the cycling that was just me hoping . I had talked to him about ways to increase accuracy and he said that the only thing he would recommend having done to a new BAR was an action job. He indicated that it would give it a smoother action and lighten up the trigger pull some(I am assuming he will do a little polishing while he is in there in order to accomplish this). I'll get some more specific details on what exactly he will do before I put the gun in his hands but so far he hasn't promised anything that seemed out of line. I was just hoping that a smoother action might be enough to allow the managed recoil loads to cycle as they appear to be just short of cycling. The action is pulling back just not far enough to fully extract the round.

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And it wont...Just aint enough Gas pressure from them to extract...The MOST you will get will be a feed jam. An action job may improve your accuracy and a trigger job will help to an extent but if its going to be a hunting rifle you really dont want TOO light of a trigger because of gloves n such. Your best bet for now will be to save your money and just get a couple different types of regular powered loads...Or find someone that reloads to come up with a good recipe for you and go that route. Good luck.

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Not knocking your shooting but don't rule out the fact that you might be more comfortable shooting the reduced loads rather than the full field loads and that may be making those rounds appear more accurate. Just something to consider. Thumbs up Think

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ChesterGolf wrote:
Not knocking your shooting but don't rule out the fact that you might be more comfortable shooting the reduced loads rather than the full field loads and that may be making those rounds appear more accurate. Just something to consider. Thumbs up Think

Actually I thought about that. It was actually the first explination that came to my mind when considering the grouping. But when shooting it just doesn't feel that way to me. I don't feel any more anxious about shooting the 150gr loads than I do shooting the managed recoil loads.

I have also swapped back and forth shooting a managed recoil set, then a 150gr set then another managed recoil set just to see if my body was reacting at all but both managed recoil sets had similar results while the 150's were still spread out a tad bit further. Not saying it isn't possible but it just doesn't feel that way while I'm shooting the groups.

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I have the Safari Stalker LW with the BOSS in 7mm Mag. My son-in-law has a regular wood stocked BAR with BOSS also in 7mm Mag. With my handload of the Swift Sirocco 150 gr bullet, both rifles will shoot sub one inch groups all day long. GREAT Rifle!!

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Hostage
It’s been a long time since I made any comments here on the forum.
Here is my nickels worth>>
I saw your group. My first question about the rifle is
Did you clean it (GOOD) before you fired it?
If not that is a good reason to not group well>
What kind / brand of scope did you put on it? Is it tight??
Not to start any controversy here but some lesser scopes can not shoot as well as the rifle is capable.
The Old Professor is right about the boss system making the Browning auto shoot unbelievably well. You can match your barrel to the load with it. You do not have that option. You will just have to keep trying different loads to find one that works.
Last, don’t expect the auto to shoot like a bolt gun. It just can’t >>>>>
The Browning auto is a VERY popular rifle here in North Carolina, but none that I have seen group much better than what you have experienced unless they have the boss system on them. I would not recommend any more money to be spent on your rifle with the exception of a better scope ( if you did not buy a premium scope in the beginning).
You are shooting very adequately for most hunting needs>>>

Donnie

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Elkman wrote:
Hostage
It’s been a long time since I made any comments here on the forum.
Here is my nickels worth>>
I saw your group. My first question about the rifle is
Did you clean it (GOOD) before you fired it?
If not that is a good reason to not group well>
What kind / brand of scope did you put on it? Is it tight??
Not to start any controversy here but some lesser scopes can not shoot as well as the rifle is capable.
The Old Professor is right about the boss system making the Browning auto shoot unbelievably well. You can match your barrel to the load with it. You do not have that option. You will just have to keep trying different loads to find one that works.
Last, don’t expect the auto to shoot like a bolt gun. It just can’t >>>>>
The Browning auto is a VERY popular rifle here in North Carolina, but none that I have seen group much better than what you have experienced unless they have the boss system on them. I would not recommend any more money to be spent on your rifle with the exception of a better scope ( if you did not buy a premium scope in the beginning).
You are shooting very adequately for most hunting needs>>>

Donnie

Everything is snug on the scope end. I currently have a 6.5x20x45 Nikkon Monarch. Perhaps I should have a gunsmith install the BOSS system on the rifle so that I can tune it to what I want to shoot instead of trying to fit the ammo to the gun.

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e4c4ever,

I would strongly recommend a Browning semiautomatic rifle (BAR). I own a Browning 300 Winchester Magnum Lightweight Stalker with a BOSS. Although this is not the Safari, I feel that my rifle is a close sibling of the Safari. Hence, my experiences with the rifle would be germane and of interest to you.

Like you, I was searching for rifle that would meet my acceptance criteria. I wanted a high quality rifle that would perform well from a company with a solid reputation. I wanted a caliber that would be able to drop large game animals in there tracks. Another goal was to purchase a factory rifle that would be accurate and precise with premium factory ammunition.

The BAR was the only weapon that met all my acceptance criteria. I have not been disappointed with the performance of this rifle. I haven’t found a weapon that could replace it. In my opinion, Remington semiautomatics are inferior. Many other semiautomatics are not available in a 300 Winchester Magnum version.

My 300 Winchester Magnum Lightweight Stalker is my favorite weapon for a lot of reasons. The action is sweet. The recoil with the BOSS is about equivalent to that of a 270 Winchester. The BOSS can be turned to the ammunition of your choice with relative ease. The BOSS does indeed work. I can use the rifle to hunt whitetail deer at long range or field kill bison at 25 to 50 yards. All my friends that have shot the weapon had a big smile on their face after squeezing off several rounds.

The BOSS is a fantastic device. As it is a muzzle break be sure to fire the weapon with hearing protection at all times.

The weapon will prove to be very accurate if you keep it clean. Some solvents claim to remove copper, but in fact don’t. Please see my post on rifle cleaning for more information at http://www.rifle-company.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=4562.

In summary, I highly recommend a BAR. I would also give consideration to a 300 Winchester Magnum rifle with a BOSS if you plan to hunt elk.

I hope that this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Sincerely,

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I have been shooting a Browning BAR Safari Stalker for about five years now and love it! I have the BOSS version and think it is well worth the extra money for the accury it delivers. With the BOSS you would not need to shoot reduced recoil loads to get good accuracy and there is the additional benefit of greatly reduced recoil.

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