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I may have come accross wrong and I appologize. I just would like to give the game fair chase and I tell you what I would have had the WA state record this year if I had a riffle no problem. The deer was only 40 yds but moving slightly and I wont shoot if I dont have a super clean shot. The deer walked to about 80 yds and turned broadside. I could of flung an arrow but I chose not to draw because it's not a safe shot. Now if I that was with a riffle it would have been dead and I just dont think that's fair or rewarding. And for the guy talking about liberal rules. If you think im liberal at all your wrong. I am rep as all get up. I just live in the state of liberal democrates. And I too dont agree on alot of the laws. Once again I apologize if I affended anyone. And for my "Bow Hunters Only" slogin. I have a club called that and if you think it's just to start controversy with riffle hunters your way off. I wish everyone a fair safe hunt this season!

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Welcome aboard Big Game Hunrter. I really thought this topic wwould turn into a mud slinging contest by now. I'm impressed!

Here's a little love for you guys. Hammer set me up with her. What are friends for!

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Location: Utah
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Don Fischer wrote:
Welcome aboard Big Game Hunrter. I really thought this topic wwould turn into a mud slinging contest by now. I'm impressed!

Here's a little love for you guys. Hammer set me up with her. What are friends for!

Thanks for the welcome. I hope to be a contributer here.

Bustbigking,
I do applaud you for only taking safe shots.
Your example will change many hunters ethetics that hunt with you.

Russ

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With my line of work I have had the opportunity to live and hunt in several states. As such the hunting laws and methods vary. Growing up in WA I used rifle, CA rifle, here in VA M/L and bow. With every method, season, and state I've hunted I have run into those folks that give the rest of us hunters the bad reps. Not only the ethics they chose to hunt by (shoot first then identify, run in on game like a bat outa he!!) but also they weapon they chose to use (.22 mag on deer with head shots, SKS's(not a hunting weapon IMO) in gillie suits). I hunt any method I can depending on were I'm at so I can extend my season and enjoy the challenges each has to offer. I practice year round with all 3 and know how each shoots. The folks that only break out their guns each season and expect it to shoot the same as it did last year, change setups and expect no change.
The point is that it’s not the weapon used that gives hunters the bad reps it the person behind them. In the last week in order for me to hunt on the military bases here I have had to attend a base hunter safety course(separate from the one we took to get our first license), attend the International Bow hunter Education Program Course (IBEP), shoot and qualify with my M/L (3 of 3 shots in 9" circle at 50y), and my bow (2 of 2 shots in vitals at each of 3 3-D targets from 3-30y from a 15' platform with the arrows and broad heads/ mechanicals we will use to hunt with). If ya can't do that ya can't hunt on base.
Which brings me to the point of it’s the person behind the weapon.
I was 1 of about 80 who attended a quall on Sat. M/L & shotgun-slug (same quall requirements). By the end of the day some 20 folks failed to qualify. When asked by the instructor and RSO's what they thought happened some 50% of them said they hadn't even touched the gun since last season, and figured it to shoot the same. The others said they had new guns and that that day was the first time they shot them and at 50y figured it was close enough it wouldn't matter.
I also attended my bow quall on Sunday. Before it started I watched a father and son (about 11 or 12) practice. They both took nothing but neck-spine shots. When asked why they both kept shooting at the neck-spine the dad said because it’s a more skillful shot and a quick kill as well. Of the 40 or so at this quall at least a dozen failed from the git-go. The reason for some was new arrows and broad heads/ mechanicals and hadn't shot with them yet. Figured they would shoot like their old ones. The others only shot with field points and only shot heads/ mechanicals when hunting.
IMO it’s these few groups of people that make me sick. It doesn't take a brain surgeon (no pun intended for anyone here who is) to know that you can't and shouldn't go hunting if ya have no idea how the weapon shoots and where it’s going to hit. It doesn't matter if you’re a first timer or an old timer. Teaching kids and others shots that are unethical with that weapon. Its things like this that are bringing the way of life we all so truly love to it knees.
The length of each season is relevant to the difficulty of the weapon being used plain and simple. Because of that I started hunting with a bow and M/L.

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Location: Eatonville, Wa
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I think that we all can agree that no matter what your prefered method of hunting is that there are always a group of dips#$ts that will make ALL hunters look bad hence alot of the ridiculous regulations and enforcement efforts. Unfortunatly its life.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCy2TRzL5AAQ
800 Yds. Please. Gotta See the video

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Location: Oklahoma City, OK
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The link said invalid URL. But here is a link to some 209 videos on Youtube on long range shooting. Some of these guys are shooting deer at over 1000y. Ya can hardly see them through the scopes.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=long+range+shooting

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Yeah it's pretty bad. The 800 some yd elk one is bad. They show the scope view and you cant even see the elk in the shot because he has to aim so high for the way to far distance. Brick Wall,)

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Did a little net surf for long range hunting and found tuns of site and articals on it. There are schools you can go to that teach you how to shoot your gun at these ranges. In one video clip they promoted it for hunter. Say that every hunter has the right to that trophy of a lifetime and it doesn't matter if its 10y or 1,000y. I'm sorry but its not a trophy of a lifetime to me if I can shoot then find a bush do my thing then return to my spotting scope and still see the hit. I understand these guys know the in's and out's of their guns and shoot specially worked up loads, put the time and effert into practiceing. Its the joe shmo hunter who hasn't that decides its ok to do it and wounds the animal if they happen to hit it. This will be one of the many ongoing issues with hunters.

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Location: Eatonville, Wa
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watched the videos and I have to say it would be impressive if they were shooting targets. But they were "hunting" it becomes nothing more than plinking. In the videos the guys talk about how its not possible to stalk the elk so its nessary to shoot long ranges. And then he goes on to say that the elk doesnt even know that they are there. Its a sad day as any type of sportsmen to see this. I mean why not drop a net from a helocopter and then shoot them.

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