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good job blackie

all ur hard work will be paid off soon u see that bear down !!
Me and the guys here will provide u with all the information we have to make this hunt successful !
just make sure the crib is not in ur daughter's way when she sit on her stand .

i like it a lot when i read u saying there is lots of signs and tracks,, this will make ur hunt a very successful one, make sure the signs and tracks are fresh, or at least made this year not years ago .

keep it up Thumbs up
regarding the lebanese food we r gonna use for baiting , i was talking to someone and told me that only lebanese christians store owners will carry the stuff i want u to buy not muslim lebanese ( for some reasons muslims do not have it in their stores ), sorry to mention this up but i just want u to know that so u can look for it in the right store , the stuff is called HALAWA ( HA LA WA )and another one called TAHINI ( TA HE NE ), they also have molasses made in lebanon which is 100% pure and bears love it,, when we get all the stuff we need then i will tell u what u need to do with it and give u the mixing formula.

Porka this stuff is good so try to see if u can find it near u , if not then ur stuff seems to be working just fine , we might add few more things when time come.

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I'm a long way from the Detroit area and do not know of a lebanese store around here, but I just started lookig.
Here are 2 on-line suppliers;

http://www.shamra.com/index.asp

http://www.buylebanese.com/

They both carry this stuff

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What ever happened to the good old days when you just put out regular honey or regular molasses over donuts and bread. You can't tell me that a hungry bear is going to pass over a big old bowl of the regular stuff versus a bowl of the "lebanese" concoction. Why would you go to all that trouble to get such exotic bait?? It is a waste of time and money when you can buy a whole truck load of out dated sweets from a bakery/bread store for less than $10.00. Go to Sam's club and buy the molasses in bulk as well as honey. Do a honey burn when putting out bait and setting your stand and leave the rest to the bears. Geez..don't make it so difficult. Buy the book from Dr.Nordberg on bear baiting you can find it on line. I think you'll find his methods of baiting far more productive and a lot less BS involved. In all the chapters in his book there is not ONE mention of having to use lebanese food. Geez!! He seems to be VERY successful in bear hunting. When going after this bear your after it's obvious by the pictures your in the thick stuff. If there's tracks and scat in the vacinity put a stink bait out at or near your crib...the bear WILL find it. Have your stand on the downwind side of the crib...if possible the setting sun to your back and hunt. Keep in mind the old saying "keep it simple stupid". It could go along way in this situation.

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Nontypical has it right. Don't get complicated because it isn't complicated. Right now I have 26 baits that I'm running. I can't think of two baitsites or setups that are identical. Right now I'm competing with a bumper crop of blueberries, I've never seen this many raspberries in 15 years and pin cherry trees are bent over from their fruit and bears are pulling them over to feed on them. I'm using meat scraps for bait and of 26 baits, each and every one is being hammered by sows and cubs, by juveniles, by adults and a few by some real horses. If I checked them every day, I'd have to rebait every day. If bears are hitting your bait sites now, feed enough to keep them there and enjoy watching your daughter do her job opening day.

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I was gonna tell blackie that today ,, i thought he live close to lebanese stores since he live in michigan ,but seems not so yes other stuff will do fine. never thought he had to travel the world to get it !

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the only reason i asked u to buy lebanese food is because u live in michigan and heard that michigan hs great number of lebanese american, so i thought u can stop by any store and buy this stuff, nver thought it is gonna be soo much trouble for u to get it, so no i don't want u to go through the hassle of ordering online or anything like that, heck if u like give me ur address i will send some of my stuff for free .

now why lebanese food ?
some ppl don't know that baiting for beasr in spring is not the same in the fall,, bears in the fall are much harder to lure in, and will take different baits to get the job done unless u have not stoped replenishing the crib since the spring season . ( Blackie's situation is even harder cause this is not an established bait site and he is gonna start hunting bears in this spot for the first time and at the worsft time ever )

the lebanese food i told blackie about are THEE BEST FALL BEAR LURE EVER ,, so all i am trying and was trying here is to help increase blackie's chances and his daughter for tagging their bear .
some ppl call it BS which is fine with me, again at the end it is up to the ppl to follow on the advice or not , having said all that there is other stuff to get the job done but the lebanese food will make the job much easier to say the least especialy in the fall season!!!
you gotta try it to believe it !!

I suggest those who have different baits that works on bears in the fall to start sharing their tips with blackie , because my own experience with fall hunt wasn't that much successful with stinky baits or normal baits that we usualy use in the srping , unless u never stoped adding fresh bait throughout the srping,summer and then the fall and the bears were regular visitors to the crib during this whole time !

I will sit here and read ur tips on baiting in the fall and if it works i will be happy for blackie and if not .... then i guess we'll deal with it then !

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Hey sawbill...what part of Ontario are you from??? We've heard some people say the blueberries were pretty much dried up?? Wasn't sure about the raspberry crop??? We hunt about an hour or so east of S.S.Marie., hopefully that "bumper" crop didn't make it that far!! We're headed up this weekend to set stands and look things over.
In Blackie's situation he should be fine with "ordinary" baiting. These bears have not had hunting pressure to speak of. If he stock piles his bait cribs with pastries, meat scrapes and various types of fruit he should be fine. If he uses grease in front of his cribs the bears coming in will leave a scent trail right back to the bait crib. Leave one bucket FULL of grease setting at the crib...the reason for this is so when the bear tips it over the grease will get ALL over him and the trail back to the crib will be twice as good!!! Grease is free from any fast food store ex: Burger King, Mcdonalds ect...it's free by the buckets full!!! If he piles the bait on from the start and as season draws near start cutting back the amount he will create "competition" at the crib in theory the "boss" of that bait will come in during shooting hours to see who's been stealing HIS food. If you can get ahold of some "hickory smoke" scent which we purchased from Bear Scents...(buy the small bottle). Take and mix a couple 2-3 onces of the hickory scent with 2 lbs. of vasoline. Mix this up really good so it blends together...(and it will). Use a paint brush to paint this on logs at your crib and head high on a few trees around your crib. This scent is so intense the bears WILL find your bait sight. Granted, lebanese food might be the ticket in some parts of the country and it might work for you but I'll bet you there's been a ton of bears killed where these exotic foods haven't even been heard of. Why go on a wild goose chase when all you need is a click away??

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Nontypical, I'm north of Sudbury, which is east of the Soo. I think you'll find berry crops can be good in one area while 30 miles away its a different story. So, to predict whats going on in Wawa is kinda tough as far as berries go. As long as your outfitter is working your baits right now, you'll do fine. And as far as baiting goes, i find that once bears hit your bait theres no need for exotic food or exotic methods. All you have to do is keep them there and regular baiting will do that even with good berry crops nearby The only time I agree with having 'something special on the plate' is if the guys want to spread maple syrup or chocolate syrup or whatever near their bait pile to keep the bears lingering longer for a better shot, then have at it. That does work. But before the hunters arrive, its nothing short of a waste of money. I find too that new, never hunted baitsites are the easiest and best producers of good animals. Once that baitsite has been used for two or three years in a row, then it cools down and odds are you'll probably get smaller bears from there on in. I like to hunt a particular baitsite 2 years in a row, then leave it.for awhile. Thats why Blackie will do OK. Its a new site, the bears haven't been spooked from previous hunts and he should have multiple bears coming in at one time. All he or his daughter needs is patience and not take the first thing that shows up--unless of course its a good one.

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sawbill...we hunt over by a town called Iron Bridge. That's the closest town anyway. We are headed up this weekend to take bait up. We came on a large supply of chocolate cupcakes, ho-ho's, fruit pies ect...we are also taking up a few bait barrels for our guide. We also have two 55 gallon drums of popcorn and grease along with raspberry jello mix too. Our plan is to set stands and put bait out...enough to last the week and then we'll be back up the following weekend to start baiting for opening day. Once we go back up on the 11th we will bait a little bit each day just to keep them interested....we also bought a couple of digital cameras we're going to put out over our hunting baits to see if we have anything worth while hitting. You say your baits are getting hit pretty good? When will your blueberry season end? How many hunters do you have the first week? The camp we go to the guide said his #'s are WAY down. Might be the fuel costs......I too think that Blackie will do okay in this spot. Like I said in the post last night...keep it simple. It's really not rocket science. If you put a variety out for them to eat they will. Whatever they like the most...pile it on!! If you get a good one coming into a food source chances are he'll bed within a 100 yds or so of that bait. They should connect within the first couple days if everthing is done right...the first night being the best chance. If I was to tell him one thing for sure...if the wind is WRONG on opening night DO NOT hunt a bait that's been hitting NO MATTER if you think you're covered in cover scent. If you do you only make that bear that much smarter and from then on he'll be that much harder to get.

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