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Well there are different ways of looking at the ATV issue. I purchased an ATV this year because I was hit by a car while riding my motorcycle to work. Due to the surgery that followed I lost the ability to hike the high country like I used to. I am from California and hunt Wyoming and Colorado. If I didn't have the ATV this year I would have had trouble. I managed to shoot a 4X3 during the 3rd season. Maybe there should be areas that only allow access from an ATV. I'm not sure why "Horse People" think they own the forest. Don't be so selfish. There are alot of older people that would like to hunt but don't have the Physical ability to hunt the High Country. I am not elderly but I am learning that my knee will never be better and I am still going to hunt. If that means I do as this year and ride till I get to the area I want to hunt and hike from there then I'll do it.

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Phone guy, Did you read the post above?

I said I own an ATV and I use it hunting occassionally. I just wish that ATV owners would adhere to the rules. If the rules allow you to use an ATV. Go for it. I use mine in areas where it's allowed. In fact I had ATV, motorcycles and 4x4 trucks LOOOONG Time before I ever bought a horse. But the forest service closed the areas I like to hunt to wheeled vehicles. So I hunted other areas for a couple of years and finally spent the money to buy horses, Spent the time to train them and keep them in shape so I could hunt the area I like to hunt.

So what pisses me off, is that I've gone to great expense and effort to obey the rules and access the area I want to hunt. So I'm half way up the canyon riding up in the dark and cold and several Yahoos blow by me on ATVs. When I see them later in the day, they tell me, Well we have the right to retrieve the game we shoot. No they don't. They are just blantantly breaking the laws. They are 7 miles behind the boundary established by the Forest Service.

If you have a bum leg and want to use an ATV to access a hunt area. That's great, I'm glad you are out enjoying the out of doors. But even having a bum leg doesn't give you permission to take your atv off the road or trails where it is allowed. if the forest service has closed an area to wheeled vehicles. It's not a matter of horse people being selfish, but rather expecting others to obey the same rules that they are obeying.

If you have an argument with public land being closed to atv's. that argument is with government agency that closed the access, not with horse people. I've never been solicited to help fund or lobby somebody to close an area to ATVs and keep it open for horses. As a horse owner I am solicited to support keeping trails open since environmental groups seem to want to close the forest to all people, including horse owners.

Even if areas are open to ATV use. They generally are only open to use on the established roads & trails. Driving an ATV any where one pleases is not allowed except on private land. You can't see an open meadow and think I'll just rip across it. I can ride a horse across a open meadow. maybe I'll fold down some tall grass, but two days from now, you won't be able to tell I crossed. Drive across it in an ATV and the tracks last for years. Somebody comes along next month and sees your tracks and thinks, I follow their trail. Pretty soon it's a new road. The damage is almost un-repairable.

You said you rode your ATV to access the high country. I assume you rode to the end of an approved ATV trail and parked your ATV and hiked from there. That's great. Have fun!

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We use atv's,4-wheel drives, and lots of foot action when hunting. I know for a fact elk do not get comfortable with atv,s. Where I hunt you even remotely here a atv the elk shut up and leave. But I am tired of everybody arguing over atv's and useage. I am getting really tired of loosing all my access of 100 year old roads that the NFS and BLM say don't excist anymore because of atv, horses, motorcycles 4-wheel drive clubs fighting each other. Not counting the Guide and Outfitter Ass. I say we take back our excisting roads and our public lands. Quit fighting among each other and fight them!

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Elkkill06 that is most definately the course that needs followed,the greenies keep us seperated and there for they keep getting the land and roads closed!

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I agree with Paintedhorse.What part of NO/NOT don't folk's understand?Ignorance of the law is NOT an excuse,and doing so IS a violation.I've seen elk put up with truck sounds, but the first time an ATV came within earshot they left the area fast. Game animals are not stupid and learn quick.Too bad I can't say same of people.

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Wapiti Whacker I'm glad to see there others that think like me. I hope ther are many others!

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elkkill06 I can't believe that so many seem not to see that infighting between the various user groups of hunting don't realize that it's costing all of us the places we love.I live next to the Sawtooth national recreation areahere in Idaho,and after attending many F&G and forest service meetings it is my belief that they will not be happy until they have restricted us all from use of OUR land!

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I totally agree. People say that the NF and BLM are not doing this but it has happened so slowly and people have gotten so use to it they really don't notice what is happening. The guys that are hard core and bust there buts to get back in somewhere (and I am one of them) don't realize we all get old and wont always be able to do it. I'm afraid that my children wont get to experience what I have and I'm only 38. It isn't right that these guys are riding where they shouldn't be. For example we have this idiot that lives on the Uncompahgre Plateau and he rides his atv every where shed hunting even into what they have had closed for years. My brother chased him one year while archery hunting running after him and throwing rocks caught up with him and he lied and said he was from another state and did not know any better ( no excuse right ) but we new that the more complaints and them wanting to turn this area into wilderness that it would only happen faster. It has happened! And the sad thing is he will still keep riding in there even though it is wilderness. This last hunting seaon he went as far as throwing nails every where to flatten everybodys tires where we all park , he actually thinks it all belongs to him. We have told the DOW and BLM and they seem to like this fruit for some reason. Quit fighting the fruits and fight to keep it open for our children. Thanks for letting me vent!

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we use atv's to get us to and from our hunting spots. We do not get off unmarked trails and follow all Colorado use rules. Here are 3 of 4 bulls our hunting party of 9 took in the 2008 season. We had 4 guys with cow tags that all filled. I'm pictured in the first picture with my bull. I had to wait for 9 to 11 motor cycles drive within 30 yrds of him before I could take the shot. He was not spoked and the cycle riders were riding on a marked trail. Like I said we use our atvs for transportation. When we get to our spots we leave them for the day. I know these are not the biggest bulls in the world and we have killed some that are alot bigger but, none the less are respectable Colorado public land bulls taken in the second season.

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Bull Buster, Those are some fantastic Colorado bulls. Great job to you and your friends. Thumbs up

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