20 replies [Last post]
Offline
Location: Chatham, Ohio
Joined: 09/13/2006
Posts: 20
Big buck still alive??

yea i said 2005 at first but it really was 2004. Im a young hunter and I grow really impatient and since i havnt seen any decent sized bucks since 04 i think theres none left when i know there is. My uncle also shot a big buck in the area (12 point) in 2005, but i havnt seen it or the pics yet so i dont know if resembles this one

Offline
Joined: 07/03/2006
Posts: 232
Big buck still alive??

I see alot of similarities between the mounted buck and the first trail cam pic. The distance of the g2 from the g1 as someone else mentioned. the up sweeping left beam and the tilting relation on some of the tines. Those twist in the browtines leave me looking for abnormalties in the other and thats just to general for to tell.

The fact that the buck was still in velvet let me allow for some more growth. Dont know if that trail cam pic was fully developed and in another year with proper nutrition adding 30% which would give him the tine length of the mounted buck wouldnt be out of the question. Keep in mind 30% of 120 is 40 inches, that alot of new antler mass in one year. If it all went up you could be looking at the very same deer in my opinion. No way for me to tell 100% but i don't have any trouble saying the mounted deer could be the first trail cam pic. Without a doubt they are gentically related, they share way to many common characteristics and came from the same general area.

Bottom line is this, those genes exist in your woods and that is a GREAT reason to be patient. Back in 2004 when you got this trail cam pic, buck fawns from 03 were coming into their first hard set of antlers. These guys are going to be spikes basket racks 4's, 6,s 8,s. Inside the ears and thin all the way around. He aint going to look like much in other words. But look here your hunting in 2006 now those same not much bucks are now looking like the first cam pic if they have the genmetic potential of that mounted buck.

Understand this. Mature 4.5-6.5 year old bucks make a very very small portion of a deer herd. Maybe 10 % in an extremely well balanced herd which most of us arent priviladged to hunt much if any. Its likely more like less than 5%.Deer of that mounted bucks age class are far and few between to begin with. So if thats what your hoping to kill, understand that it is going to takes lots of patience and lots of decisions through the years to not shoot deer like in trail cam pic number 2.

Making these kind of "trophy management "decisions is up to you beyond what your state laws mandate. Its real common to make personal restrictions anymore on buck antler width and point count. Why? because what most guys really want to kill each fall is mounted buck up there. Many hunters are starting to realize that only way to get to Mr. mounted buck up there is to let him get age on him. Trouble with that is it can become an almost bothersome bore to a deer camp if what you really enjoy is just getting your deer and eating some venison. I tend to hunt more meat style here in SC because we just dont have great genetic potential. Better off to do my meat hunting here and go somewhere else to trophy hunt. However, you have such a place there, just look at the bucks that are being harvested all over your state of upper end trophy class.

Anyhow , who knows if they are one and the same, but thats not to worry. With patience you will kill bucks of this caliber. Dont be suprised if you dont see them every year or kill one . I hunt big deer in prime country every year and dont always get one. In fact more often than not I dont get the big one. It s why hunting them is still so intriuging to me, they are very challenging to hunt when they reach 4 years old or better. The pay off lifetime events to be cherished forever. Things like that shouldnt come easy. be patient and be excited, you have awesome potential there to kill a monster from what i can see.

redrider's picture
Offline
Moderator
Location: NE Kansas
Joined: 03/20/2006
Posts: 2603
Big buck still alive??

John - I agree with you that the first trail pic would be dead on with the shot deer if it were a year apart , but those 2 pictures( the first trail pic and the shot buck) are only 4 months apart. Trail pic being taken in July that gave the buck about 1 1/2 months to grow more. Also what do you think about that knot on the right G1? Just my opinion

Offline
Joined: 07/03/2006
Posts: 232
Big buck still alive??

I must be confused cause i was thinking first as you say it same season, then thinking a year apart. I dont know either. LOL I know they share some definate similar characteristics that say to me at the very least they are related closely.

I can see that growth spurt under optimum conditions in a year . But I agree with you from the point of development shown to the finished antlers on the wall I think they are proportionately wrong to be the same deer in the same year. His tines would be farm more advanced given the beam development is so far along.

I cant say on the browtines they are all stubbies some curved some with begginings of splits. While I dont discount the size and particulars of them here I am really spending alot more time looking at the shape of the beams and growth angles of the tines which seem to be the things you can usually expect to be somewhat consistant year to year barring any damage or woundings.

redrider's picture
Offline
Moderator
Location: NE Kansas
Joined: 03/20/2006
Posts: 2603
Big buck still alive??

However you look at it Redneck's in a good location Big smile

Offline
Joined: 07/03/2006
Posts: 232
Big buck still alive??

No doubt about that, I can assure yours nothing running around in my backyard like that buck on the wall. In the best of conditions this area I am in will get an average buck to the 115-125 class at age 5. There are very few buck deer that make it to the age of five in South Carolina. To have one with abnormal antler growth rates for the area make it to five when he can show off a rack like that, well look at our record books . When you hit 140 " here its likely your buck will end up in the top 50 ever taken with a rifle and top 25 with a bow. We just dont get that kind of potential around here often at all.

redrider's picture
Offline
Moderator
Location: NE Kansas
Joined: 03/20/2006
Posts: 2603
Big buck still alive??

You could always move to Kansas Big smile

Offline
Moderator
Location: Florida,USA
Joined: 08/21/2003
Posts: 1566
Big buck still alive??
hatracked wrote:
No doubt about that, I can assure yours nothing running around in my backyard like that buck on the wall. In the best of conditions this area I am in will get an average buck to the 115-125 class at age 5. There are very few buck deer that make it to the age of five in South Carolina. To have one with abnormal antler growth rates for the area make it to five when he can show off a rack like that, well look at our record books . When you hit 140 " here its likely your buck will end up in the top 50 ever taken with a rifle and top 25 with a bow. We just dont get that kind of potential around here often at all.

Shucks Man, We have to go to SC to kill a deer with any size !!! Yes

Offline
Joined: 07/03/2006
Posts: 232
Big buck still alive??

I know you guys got it bad in Florida in comparison to here. I would wager 80% of the clients I have seen over the years at SC lodges are from Florida.

You guys have awesome pig hunting though. When I want to arrow a pig I think Florida right off the bat. When I want tarpon or prime offshore fishing Florida comes immediately to mind. So it aint all bad.

As well we have some world class turkey hunting here in SC. I can think of alot of places I wouldnt choose over SC for a spring gobbler hunt.

What I have come to after years of deer hunting here, is if I want to expand my horizons and kill monster bucks, I better be going to places like this young man has to hunt. I definately envy his dillema. Yes

Offline
Location: Douglasville, GA
Joined: 10/08/2006
Posts: 17
Big buck still alive??
hatracked wrote:
I know you guys got it bad in Florida in comparison to here. I would wager 80% of the clients I have seen over the years at SC lodges are from Florida.

You guys have awesome pig hunting though. When I want to arrow a pig I think Florida right off the bat. When I want tarpon or prime offshore fishing Florida comes immediately to mind. So it aint all bad.

As well we have some world class turkey hunting here in SC. I can think of alot of places I wouldnt choose over SC for a spring gobbler hunt.

What I have come to after years of deer hunting here, is if I want to expand my horizons and kill monster bucks, I better be going to places like this young man has to hunt. I definately envy his dillema. Yes

YOu mentioned clients, do you guide? If you do I would like to speak with you about it. YOur not that far from me and I am still learning so any pointers you could give I would greatly appreciate.

Related Forum Threads You Might Like

ThreadThread StarterRepliesLast Updated
big zombie buck?!!compaq4003/09/2013 08:10 am
Big Buck Still Alive: Part 2Cay4redneck511/01/2006 18:03 pm
Well Meaning, but Intellectually Challenged Questions Asked by Non-HuntersCVC811/18/2010 02:36 am
A .243 storyBriguy4004/18/2007 19:12 pm
Vermont snow impact?Ca_Vermonster103/25/2011 06:06 am