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Location: Utah
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

That's too bad! Oops!

You mean the government wants you to attempt to dial 911 during a break-in and hope you get through before the bad guy has picked up all the empty shell casings? Mad

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Location: Western Canada
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

Yes, it's true.

Location: Minnesota,
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

I've decided for the .45 Ruger seems to fit the budget better. Then save for the Kimber Thumbs up

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Location: Utah
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

Like this one that I just purchased last week for $399? Yes


Ruger KP-345PR

Location: Minnesota,
Joined: 08/28/2004
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

Close, the one I looked at was at Gander mtn. All black didn't have a hammer like the model 1911 $579.00

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Location: Utah
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FYI Only:

In addition and while several calibers will do for self defense at home or hunting in the field, here's a few bonded Gold Dot loads worth looking at. Suggest you also consider Double Tap Ammo (amongst many other good choices), as these loads are the fastest on the market and surprisingly do so without extra flash, pressure, or recoil! Big smile Their unique process uses specially blended powders that burn cooler than normal and are not commercially available to reloaders.

* 45 ACP 230-gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1,010 fps = 15.3" & .95".

* 40 S&W 180-gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1,140 fps in Glock 22 = 14.75" & .73".

* 357 Mag 125-gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1600 fps in 4" Ruger GP-100 = 12.75" & .69".

* 9mm 147-gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1,135 fps in Glock 17.

Steve

P.S. Not affiliated in any manner with Double Tap.

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Location: Illinois
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

Hi, all. This is just my outlook on hand gun ammo, and I intend in no way to be argumentive. In my line of work I carried a .45acp with 230gr. Rangers, and it served me well with dispatching wounded deer. Thank god I never actually had to use it for what it was intended for, although I came close a couple of times.
I agree with everything that has been said so far. But if I have to shoot a bad guy I want to put as big of a hole in him as possible. The purpose for a shoot is to stop the threat. The way that I look at it is a simple outlook. Yes a .30-30 could be used to kill a charging grizzly as long as shot placement is good. But I would rather use a .45-70. Because even with bad shot placement (under stress, and yes there will be stress) you stand a better chance of causing blunt trauma and possibly breaking load bearing joints and bones not to mention more blood loss. I know that it may seem like I'm comparing apples to oranges, but the logic is simple.
Not to mention that the .45acp is very well battle proven from WWI all the way through Vietnam. I don't have the statistics but I'm sure that the round acounts for more bad guys losing the fight than any other handgun caliber. Like I said plaese don't think that I'm disagreeing with all that was said, I'm just stating my opinion. Anyway, I now work for a dept. that requires us to carry a 40s&w. It's alright, but I would fell better about carrying the War Horse.

Location: Minnesota,
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

what about a .45 long colt?

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Location: Illinois
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

I don't really know that much about the ballistics of the caliber. I guess that it would work good if you were looking at revolvers.

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Location: Utah
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Best Self Defense Caliber: 9mm, 40 S&W, 45 ACP

Although 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP can all stop a bad guy, I agree that a 45 might offer the advantage needed. Personally I use a 9 and 45 for myself and family members.

Shot placement and controllability for repeated followup shots are the key here. Next is selection of bullet, and last is choice of caliber.

230-gr. HP loads in Winchester's Ranger T line-up (RA45T or especially RA45TP), Double's Taps Gold Dot, or Remington's Golden Saber, lead the pack in performance testing.

In 45 ACP, it's hard to find a bad load, as long as the proper weight of bullet is used. Even Winchester's White Box 230-gr. HP's at Walmart are impressive in ballistic testing into various type of media.

Within the above calibers, I suggest folks give strong consideration to:

* Ranger T's
* Double Tap's Gold Dot
* Golden Saber

....and the heavier the bullet the better for improved all-around performance. I.E.:

9mm = 147-gr.
40 S&W = 180-gr.
45 ACP = 230-gr.

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