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rost495 wrote:

… the BB gun and the AR have a different recoil pulse that will eventually destroy any scope not designed for that impulse.

Actually you are thinking of spring piston air rifles. These rifles (which should not be shot with BB's) have a unique recoil pattern. They recoil rearward then forward. The piston moving in its channel causes this. The other styles of air rifles and top end recoilless spring piston rifles don’t have this worry.

It is the forward nudge that can "unglue" the reticule in scopes built for traditional firearms. Traditional scopes do not provide reticule support for recoil in the forward direction.

This is becoming moot however, most higher end scopes are now built to allow this forward recoil, but it is still best to check with the manufacturer prior to using on the “springer” types of air rifles.

The Leupolds (and most other current quality scopes) will handle any traditional rifle that you are able to shoot from your shoulder. If I were in a gun shop who employed someone that said that these scopes would not stand up to a .300 WM, I would find another gun shop ... they don't know what they are talking about.

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Lee

You are correct. My quickie term bb gun sucks. But I'm still seeing Lupys fail on ARs and Leupold has told 2 folks that they'll fix em once but don't put em back on an AR. The warranty won't be good a second time. Anyway thats what a couple of AR shooters on the circuit have told me.

PS-- were you always in Washington? Or maybe Louisiana once?

Jeff

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Thanks for the clarification Tank. I thought Rost was implying that mounting the rifleman on a red ryder would rip the scope to piece. Which IS hilarious. Wink

I understand what you were trying to say now.

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And i should have added last nite that its not only Leupolds that fail on the AR. In fact its no direct slam at Leupold at all.

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bitmasher wrote:
Thanks for the clarification Tank. I thought Rost was implying that mounting the rifleman on a red ryder would rip the scope to piece. Which IS hilarious. Wink

I understand what you were trying to say now.

Just mounting a scope on a Red Ryder would be funny period. Who cares what it did to the scope!

I can hear it how:

Brownell's help line: How may I help you?

Customer: Yeah, Uh, hey wat type of mounts ya got fer dis hear redd rider gunz I'z got. hope ya got some of dem conetrols, cause dey be sooo purty!

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rost495 wrote:
]Lee

You are correct. My quickie term bb gun sucks. But I'm still seeing Lupys fail on ARs and Leupold has told 2 folks that they'll fix em once but don't put em back on an AR. The warranty won't be good a second time. Anyway thats what a couple of AR shooters on the circuit have told me.

PS-- were you always in Washington? Or maybe Louisiana once?

Jeff

Hi Jeff

That's an interesting statement about only honoring the warranty once. I'll call their customer service and see what they say, then report back. I live pretty close to their HQ.

I have seen many Leupolds on AR pattern firearms that have functioned well for years. I can see where someone firing in high volume mode might set up a fore and aft recoil patter that could mimic the forward recoil of a “springer” air rifle. The rate of fire would have to be in the spray and pray range. Any reasonable (i.e. controllable) rate of fire would not cause this in my vast experience.

BTW, what experience I have is based on my time in the Marine Corps and too many years to count of Highpower Service Rifle competition. So I’ve been around long enough to have seen some things … but by no means all things!

I’ve been in Washington about 12 years, never in Louisiana.

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The few Leupolds I've seen toast (again any brand will or can do it) were on dedicated 1000 yard AR setups in any any matches. I don't know what that signifies.

I have a trashco as a test scope and a dedicated test platform upper that I can swap barrels out on. That scope is still hanging in there after about 10 years. But the adjustment knobs are getting really stiff. I suspect it'll die sooner or later. I don't think I have much more than 5000 rounds through that scope.

PS I thought I might have talked with you on another defunct forum and that you were maybe around Ft. Polk but I confuse things all the time.

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rost495 wrote:
The few Leupolds I've seen toast (again any brand will or can do it) were on dedicated 1000 yard AR setups in any any matches. I don't know what that signifies.
Jeff

Neither do I! The heavy bullets fired in an AR at 1000 (I'm assuming .223) might have something to do with it but I doubt it. I shoot 80 gr rounds at 600 in my Service Rifle and the recoil impulse is materially the same with the lighter bullets. It is a bit longer and heaver, but not much. I have mounted a cheap Chinese scope occasionally for initial load testing and it has done fine. I do most load development from position however and just use the scope for quick initial tests.

You are right that any mechanical devise can / will fail.

I talked with two different Leupold reps. Both stated there is no limit to the number of repairs related to materials and workmanship. They did indicate that abuse is not covered (nor is it in any warrantee). Perhaps that is why those folks mentioned earlier were told not to replace the scope on their rifles.

Who know, mileage will vary! Personally I've had great results with Leupold, Weaver and Burris, but I am only an insignificant sample of what is out there.

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I wrote Leupold re: using the Rifleman scope on a 300 win mag and asked whether there was any truth to the claim that the Rifleman wouldn't stand up. Here is their response.

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Absolutely no truth.

A Rifleman is built to the same demanding standards as any Leupold scope, including the impact and recoil testing.

All Leupold scopes are impact tested well in excess of a 300 win. mag.
Our scopes have to endure a minimum of 5000 rounds at 975 G's. ( a .375 is only around 750 G's)

The Rifleman is a less expensive scope only because we produce it in only one finish, with one type of reticle and we do not offer the customizations such as installing target adjustments or changing the reticle style.

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Hi Lee

The 2 I heard of were from HP friends that are converted BR shooters. Yep they were 80s or 90s but bullet weight won't do it. And as BR folks you can bet they keep their gear much better than I care about as a service rifle shooter.

One does tons of shooting with a scope just testing etc... He is a testing nut.

The other is just normal shooting with a scope.

The testing nut said Lupy told him it was the impulse of the mass of the bolt carrier slamming forward again that probably did it and not to use it on the AR again.

Talk to different folks, get different stories.

I do know, like I said earlier, my tasco has worked fine but the adjustments are getting really stiff and cranky. And I suspect its gonna die sooner or later. I guess luckily, in a way, I've stopped shooting for the most part.

BTW a few other buddies bought Tasco for 223 testing scopes. Then another 2 bought BSA. Wow what junk the BSA is. Adjustments suck, the one bought 2 and stuck one on his heavy bbl 243 and it won't hold a zero very long.....

Jeff

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