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The missus has more rifles than I do 8) So I don't have the problem that most do.

The high end scopes are hard to explain till your buddy is in that situation where he can't see through his XYZ(spell yours however it is) and you can see through your scope. Then the bit of dollar difference is nill. After all how much does a hunt cost anway. Last one I went on was totally free. Yet I still burned over 70 bucks of fuel and 100 bucks of food.

Jeff

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rost495 wrote:
The missus has more rifles than I do 8) So I don't have the problem that most do.

The high end scopes are hard to explain till your buddy is in that situation where he can't see through his XYZ(spell yours however it is) and you can see through your scope. Then the bit of dollar difference is nill. After all how much does a hunt cost anway. Last one I went on was totally free. Yet I still burned over 70 bucks of fuel and 100 bucks of food.

Jeff

I've heard all this low light yackity schmacity talk before. this is where the rubber meets the rode people. Go to the SCI convention in reno NV. in a couple weeks and ask the professional what scope to buy. Go to a Benchrest competition where winners and lossers are differentiated by .001 of an inch and ask the competitor what to buy. Or better yet go to the Yukon where the climate is harsh and the griz are harsher and see whats on your guides gun. the answer: LEUPOLD. 'nuff said.

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Hi Shato

Don't know what guides you use. I was a guide and use Zeiss. I've actually seen Zeiss become loose(bad mount job) and be shot off a clients gun into the dirt and gravel. Still worked just fine. Lots of dings and scratches but works fine to this day.

My guide in Alaska had a Zeiss. I've seen more than one Zeiss around over the years!

Heck the new ones aren't much more than a Lupy. In fact my first Zeiss was 399 when hi end lupys were around 300. My second one was a bit more. But since then I've had friends buy them and from 375 to never more than 550 bucks, even for a 4.5x14. With the good Lupys starting at 350 or so for the series 3, and going to over 900 bucks for the really good LPS, wheres the difference?

And so if you don't care how much you spend to hunt, and can't see it to shoot it at last light or before he goes back into the timber early AM, then you have more bucks to spend than I do. You can go back. I can't afford to that often. Whats the point of a 800-2500 dollar good hunting rifle if you can't see when it counts? My earliest Zeiss is a 3x9x40. Nothing special. Yet its so good that I can shoot hogs at nite on 5x with no moon light at all.(hogs are legal here at nite) The stars provide enough light and the scope does the rest. My 50mm ended Zeiss does even better. But I'd never buy a big one again. The small end ones are so good, they are good enough.

BTW you go ask the professionals next time at SCI. And actually go to a BR match and what do you see? Sure there are tons of lupys. But actually ask around. Almost all have been back to the factory for fixes or sent to a specialist who fixes their problems. Most are certainly not used as is. As to your guide for grizz-- light transmission is not a problem. Just a good solid low end scope or iron sights. And I suspect a lot of guides can't afford the best ( I got one of mine as a tip so that helped a lot)

Jeff

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Hi Shato

Don't know what guides you use. I was a guide and use Zeiss. I've actually seen Zeiss become loose(bad mount job) and be shot off a clients gun into the dirt and gravel. Still worked just fine. Lots of dings and scratches but works fine to this day.

My guide in Alaska had a Zeiss. I've seen more than one Zeiss around over the years!

Heck the new ones aren't much more than a Lupy. In fact my first Zeiss was 399 when hi end lupys were around 300. My second one was a bit more. But since then I've had friends buy them and from 375 to never more than 550 bucks, even for a 4.5x14. With the good Lupys starting at 350 or so for the series 3, and going to over 900 bucks for the really good LPS, wheres the difference?

And so if you don't care how much you spend to hunt, and can't see it to shoot it at last light or before he goes back into the timber early AM, then you have more bucks to spend than I do. You can go back. I can't afford to that often. Whats the point of a 800-2500 dollar good hunting rifle if you can't see when it counts? My earliest Zeiss is a 3x9x40. Nothing special. Yet its so good that I can shoot hogs at nite on 5x with no moon light at all.(hogs are legal here at nite) The stars provide enough light and the scope does the rest. My 50mm ended Zeiss does even better. But I'd never buy a big one again. The small end ones are so good, they are good enough.

BTW you go ask the professionals next time at SCI. And actually go to a BR match and what do you see? Sure there are tons of lupys. But actually ask around. Almost all have been back to the factory for fixes or sent to a specialist who fixes their problems. Most are certainly not used as is. As to your guide for grizz-- light transmission is not a problem. Just a good solid low end scope or iron sights. And I suspect a lot of guides can't afford the best ( I got one of mine as a tip so that helped a lot)

Jeff

Jeff

jeff I must have come off wrong. My writing came across way rougher than I intended. there is no doubt that Swarovski and Zeiss are excellent glass. But, to slam on leupold is wrong. Leo's are great scopes. I've slid down rock slides in mountain goat territory and they still held point of impact. I'm a rock solid leo man, I'm not interested in anything else, but thats not to say that the european scopes aren't excellent. My main complaint with the euro's is that they come in 30 mm tubes and have huge objectives. the huge objectives require tall mounts which I really dislike on a gun that must fit in a saddle scabbard. the 30 mm tubes while stronger also increase weight and such. and last but not least they aren't made in the good ole' usa. As to benchresters sending them off....well they'd do that with any scope its just in our nature to tinker with things. besides its unbelievable the number of rounds shot with these guns. more than any hunting rig would see in 3 lifetimes. I'll just say this, I've never had occassion to say that I would have shot if only my scope gathered more light... thats not to say that it won't happen but I haven't seen it yet. As an aside I own a pair of leo binoculars and my dad owns a pair of Swarovski's in side by side comparisons I personally can see a difference but not enough to justify spending the $1,000 to upgrade. Well, I've gone on long enough.

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Squirrel hunter... Oak moss slightly damp and correctly applied makes paramont ' wipe ' tissue to keep your glass optical surfaces Brilliant. Keeping a scoped rifles Dependable 'zero' is of similar importance and is easily acheived by using boiled Linseed Oil / drys gummy/ on all scoped mounting surfaces and screws. A furthur note about keeping the 'zero', I took a shot at dusk this deer season with a savage 12 ga side by side at 35 yards/candleabra raked big buck/hiding its head in a small doug fir as I passed downhill on a deer trail hoping I wouldn't see it... Had binoculars. The slug passed 11 inches off the ground and less than 4 inches in front of its chest/morning after recounter doing the 'angles'. Loose stock screw (from butstock to receiver) from using the arm as a staff occationally during the tree squirrel season and poor attention to this 'play' as it developed was the cause...of a few of late misses at in range squirrels... MAKEYOURBATTLEFREEDOM Parker (bushnel/ebay 20$/sportview 3x9 223 M14 Ruger, 500 yards, consecutive hits on foot ball sized rock on junked green coleman 2 burner stove, prone over backpack, win 680, 55 gr FMJBT, 2800 FPS, reticule thick substention 5 inches, CHECK)

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Burris is by far the best American scope company. Someone back up this thread said that Leupold pays out on their warraties, and that IS true. They fixed one of mine. Made it like new. And they make a good scope. But I've NEVER had to send in any of my Burris scopes for repair. EVER. I hunt on foot, alone and I still hunt all day. I am very tough on my gear. I have 3 Burris scopes, two are 2.5x X 28mm fixed scopes and the other is a 4x X 32mm compact with the "posi-lock" handgun scope. They all work great, every year. The 4x just got moved to a new home, from my .41 mag to my new .480 ruger. Will see next year how it holds up to the slightly stronger recoil. Big smile

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Burris is by far the best American scope company. Someone back up this thread said that Leupold pays out on their warraties, and that IS true. They fixed one of mine. Made it like new. And they make a good scope. But I've NEVER had to send in any of my Burris scopes for repair. EVER. I hunt on foot, alone and I still hunt all day. I am very tough on my gear. I have 3 Burris scopes, two are 2.5x X 28mm fixed scopes and the other is a 4x X 32mm compact with the "posi-lock" handgun scope. They all work great, every year. The 4x just got moved to a new home, from my .41 mag to my new .480 ruger. Will see next year how it holds up to the slightly stronger recoil. Big smile

I've owned Burris myself. It was a decent enough scope, until I was sighting in and turn the elevation a click or two to raise my point of impact and the top flew off. the elevation adjustment shot out the top of the scope. and the day before season no less. I've never had to have a leo repaired.

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never had a leupold repaired then you haven't had enough or for a long enough time. It happens to all. The long term track record is what to look at.

pakerlarry1

You must have the luckiest Mini 14 every built to hit like that at 500 yards. Especially with ball bullets. I shoot 8000 appx 223 rounds a year in semis and have never had one that would reliably hit a football sized object at that range with bulk FMJ projectiles. Certainly not the POS that a mini 14 is. Consider yourself lucky and hang on to it. THat should not be possible at all

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never had a leupold repaired then you haven't had enough or for a long enough time. It happens to all. The long term track record is what to look at.

pakerlarry1

You must have the luckiest Mini 14 every built to hit like that at 500 yards. Especially with ball bullets. I shoot 8000 appx 223 rounds a year in semis and have never had one that would reliably hit a football sized object at that range with bulk FMJ projectiles. Certainly not the POS that a mini 14 is. Consider yourself lucky and hang on to it. THat should not be possible at all

Jeff

YOU'RE A RAVING IDIOT

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Maybe I'm even better than that......................or maybe just a bit more experience........ or-- got a better idea?

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