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Best Pig/Brush Caliber

This is an oft debated subject that sometimes turns somewhat incendiary. That's exactly what I'm looking for. My preferences for brush/ hog guns are as follows (by brush guns, I don't mean shooting through the brush but a fat close quarter cal that will make it easy to track the prey.)... my fave 358 winchester. Also 45/70, 350 remington mag, 35 whelen, .338 federal, my 9.3X74R chapuis double, and my 416 rigby merkel double. I know the last two are over kill, but when I'm not using them on the dark continent, piggies are the best alternative. There's also the .444, 35 remington, and of course the 30/30. List any that I may have left out, and let me hear your favorites....

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I like my 30/30 loaded with some 220 grain round nose handloads I worked up. Not too fast but very effective( and flat shooting ) out to about 75 yds or so. Good brush getter! 44 mag riffles work pretty good too.

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Re: Best Pig/Brush Caliber
maddenwh wrote:
This is an oft debated subject that sometimes turns somewhat incendiary. That's exactly what I'm looking for. My preferences for brush/ hog guns are as follows (by brush guns, I don't mean shooting through the brush but a fat close quarter cal that will make it easy to track the prey.)... my fave 358 winchester. Also 45/70, 350 remington mag, 35 whelen, .338 federal, my 9.3X74R chapuis double, and my 416 rigby merkel double. I know the last two are over kill, but when I'm not using them on the dark continent, piggies are the best alternative. There's also the .444, 35 remington, and of course the 30/30. List any that I may have left out, and let me hear your favorites....

maddenwhalmost anything will take wild hogs (feral & Russian) depending of shot placement, and quality bullets! I almost never open a post that starts with a so-called "BRUSH BUSTER" cartridge, or Bullet. because as you well know that is something that doesn't exist. eye roll

I understand where you are coming from with this Thread, however, and IMO, the only place where we disagree is your opinion that the 9.3X74R, or the 416 rigby is "OVERKILL"! Of all the cartridges I've used on Wild hogs, the 9.3X74R double rifle with 286 gr soft points, is the perfect rifle/cartridge combination. The 416 Rigby, in a double rifle is not overkill, because, like the brush busting cartridge, OVERKILL is also something that doesn't exist.

For the rifle/cartridge you are discribing, I'd be tempted to call them a Deep woods hunting rifle/cartridge combination. To me this indicates a rifle with the power needed for the game being hunted, but of a little short range capability, because of the heavy for caliber bullet, and very arching trejectory.

The old standby 45-70 with a 400 gr bullet is a hog stomper, and there is little tracking to do on a very large hog, if the bullet is even closely placed properly. IMO, no matter what cartridge you choose, heavy for caliber bullets should be the order of the day. When a rifle chambered for one of these cartridges, it should be zeroed dead on at 100 yds, and the shooter learn where it hits at 150 yds, and from muzzle to 100yds, it will be pointblank , with no need for any hold over. The larger and heavier the bullet is, pushed at no more than 1800- 2000 fps for the bullets in the 44 and 45 cal cartridges will save yo a lot of meat, and tracking. The big slow bulltes do far less meat damage, than any high velocity small bullet. The 9.3X74R with a 286 gr Nosler partition, @ 2300 fps is about the fastest thing one needs for even very large ferals.

With Javalinas, which we all know are not hogs, pigs at all, but are an intirely seperate species, and are different in what is best for hunting them . In some of their country, the ranges can get long, and the cartridges like 243 Win, with a good 100 gr Nosler partition, at around 3000fps are perfect. but in heavey brush country like South Texas, short barreled rifles with a 357 Mag, 44 special, 44 mag, or 30-30 with 170 gr hard bullets, is perfect, as well!

I like hunting wild hogs, be they feral, pure Ruskis, or Wart hog, and my hog rifles are all double rifles. I'm one of the charter members of the DRSS
(Double Rifle Shooter's Society), and we have get together twice a yr, and hunt hogs with outr doubles. everything from little 8MMs to 577NE, and I haven't found one that I consider Overkill, or under powered! Thumbs up

..........................Good hunting! Big smile

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Regardless of what one choose's to use its all about how well you can shoot it and make the one shot one kill.
From my experiance with hunting hogs in central CA. I've used 30-30, 300 savage, 300 win mag, and my favorite Rem 7mm Mag. With any of these guns a hog was killed. The 30-30, 300 savage was a one time deal for me. I was ticked with the results I got. The 30-30 didn't even penatrate on a dead on boiler room shot at 15y or a second at 25y. The 300 savage took 2 to down it at about 50y both vital zone hits. The 300 win mag and 7mm have never required a second shot. I prefer the 7mm with 175g. Taken them from 20y to about 300y with same results on hogs from 60-400lbs.
But again with hogs they are tough critters and a bigger gun and bullet even the ones BUGABOY mentioned are dandy guns for thumping hogs. I'm sure BUGABOY and other will agree that a wounded and PO'd hog is a force to stear clear of.

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Duggaboy- I completely agree with you that hogs/pigs etc. are the perfect game animal for practicing with the double. It gives me an excuse to bring out my sxs double merkel 416. The 9.3 sxs double is great too, but is more versatile because it's more accurate at longer distances using smaller grained bullets (at least for me), but who really wants a double for long distances (in all honesty, i use it more b/c it weighs less). I also mentioned the 35 cals as good brush/medium range cartridges that are perfect for hogs because I don't think that 35 cals get the street cred they deserve. Why none of them ever caught on, particularly in the north east, really blows my mind. Other than a .338 and several big bore rifles, the 35's are the only other cals that make up my collection, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't want to hear that arguement that recoil is the main reason 35's aren't popular either. Just look at how popular big bores have become. More 458 winny's are sold than 35 whelen's, and not that many aof us, at least proportional to the sales, go on safari.. It's obviously the magnum/ ultra long distances thing that they lack...too bad, but more for me.

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Single shot '06 with 220 grs.
I also like my recurve and carbon arrows.

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yeah, but the -06 is so cliched and boring. I'm putting in a an extra vote for the 338 federal. I went to the range with mine yesterday, and couldn't have been more impressed. It's only got an 18 inch barrel and it's still a real tack driver (and damn I hate using that cliche). I and it's not taxing to carry. it's one of those ruger m77 prairie rifles. It'll kick a little b/c it only weighs ~6 pounds, but it shoots right, and it's light to carry. It's second only to my 358 winny.

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Remington 700 ADL rifle...shooting 70 grain Speer in a 22-250 cartridge. Quick 1 shot kills.

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12ga Slug gun using winchester xp3. Deadliest combo in the woods

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I didn't mention the 35 remington which is also a good short range rifle. The good thing with killin' pigs is, you can use a 22-250 or a 50BMG without worring about ruining meat or a trophy. I still say the 358 winchester is by and far the best brush gun (I would argue that it's got good deer or elk ballistics up to just over 200 yards) as we've defined in on this thread. That being a gun that is a good short range cartridge that leaves a big hole for easier tracking and really knocks the snot out of the pig. Now that I've thought about it, I've changed my mind and decided that my 416 rigby double is my favorite. Never, ever have to waist those three dollar bullets with a follow up.

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If you wish to hunt hogs with a muzzleloader, I load that I can reccomend from personal experience is the Hevi Shot 350 gr sabo slug in 50 cal, over 100 gr of Triple Seven . I shot a hog through the heart with this load - through the gristle plate, through the heart and out through the gristle plate on the other side. The guides were amased at the penetration!

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