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Lot's of good sense here

I think the best all around cartridge would have to be the 30-06 for all of the reasons listed here. But there are some really good cartridges that run it for the money. I actually think the 7mm rem mag is the best of them. You can load it up to titanic porportion and then load it down to 7mm-08 power loads. Without handloading you still are in business. If you can shoot a 30-06 well, you can shoot a 7mm remmag well too. The 270 Weatherby is a really, REALLY great choice too... I may pick my Winchester 1886 45-70 too if I thought too much about it... Hell, I might pick my 336C for that matter. Has anybody noticed that most deer get shot at under 220 yards? A scoped 30-30 kills deer out that far with good reliability. My 336 shoots 1.80 inch groups at 100.

Ok. I give up. I pick the Winchester Model 70 featherweight in 270 winchester. That's my Nevada Jack Rabbit rifle...

I have a friend that has a .308 BLR that shoots under an inch... He proved it to me... He has killed Elk and Moose with that rifle very regularly and reliably. Yes, he's a very cool shot and doesn't shoot Elk outside of 200 yards or so.

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I've seen a couple of 7mm Rem Mag rifles that spit 160 and 162 grain bullets out at 3200 fps, just about any will put the same bullets out at 3100+ with incredible accuracy. I've also seen 140 grain bullets from those same rifles at 3400 fps, with good accuracy, but not like the 160's. The only typical commercial round that performs like this one is the 300 Winchester Magnum. That's been my observation, if you extract the 7mm STW and 7mm Dakota.

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Location: Maine
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338Mag/180 grain stability ???

I have been shooting a 338 mag for about 12 years now. I bought this cal. because I wanted a rifle that could reach out 400+ yards and effectively kill anything I could see. I don't hunt elephant up hear in Maine, but I have had the pleasure of taking down a few moose with her. (her being my Ruger M77) Sense I also use her for White Tails I was thinking about trying out a 180 grain bullet this year. It seems like a good idea with flatter trajectory and less damage to the venison, but my only concern is will it be a stable round. I don't reload so I am talking about factory loads. Has anyone out there experienced shooting them at any distance or have any knowledge on the subject. I have been searching high and low for someone that's in the know.

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Location: North Warren, PA USA
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I want to know what you think about this maybe it is just me but anyways I use a 22-250 for alot of things from long range varmit hunting to white tail deer where I live I want to know your thoughts on this I have beeen told it is to light for white tails but I have not had any problems taking one with it yet. I also going to move up in the world to a bigger rifle ws thinking of a 308 or a 30-06 undecided as of yet I am looking towards the 308 I have read where some of think it is to light for moose, I do pose this question out ther for the form if the 30-06 comes right from the 308 it is the decendent of the 308 at least that what i have been told anyways so if that is true, back in the day of old didn't they use 3030's and 45-70,45 long colt to hunt elk moose deer bear of any kind or have I been told wrong just asking . well hope to hear some good answers for which I should go with, I wish I could find a 7x57 7mm muaser like the I use to have before I shot the barrel out of it that was an awsome weapon for anything. would like to have a rifle like that again .

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How in the world did you shoot a barrel out of a 7x57?

In my opinion, it's not a matter of weather or not a 22-250 will kill a deer or not, we know it will. But is it prudent, especially given the choices we have avaliable to us? 22 bullets are generally made for shooting varmits. A bad shot could well leave you with a wounded animal. That could also be said for any cartridge. But were you one of the types that felt he could take the shot from any angle and the bullet should do it's job, sooner or later you'll be let down. I think the 24's are a much butter choice but only with 100gr bullets. Better yet for deer and up is the 25's. The reason is much better selection of medimun game bullets. It's the bullet that does the damage!

As for the 308 vrs the 30-06, either will do the job. Therre's maybe 100fps difference in velocity for both and with good bullets, either will get the job done. Bullet selection and placement are much more important factors than case size.

Pastor Steve, a 300 Savage will kill any animal you can see at 400+ yds just as well and just as dead as a 338! Seeing the animal is not the hard part, hitting it is! Now the 338 using a, say 250gr bullet, will definately deliver more power at 100-200 yds that any 300 Savage, 308 or 30-06. The beauty of the magnum lies in its ability to deliver extrodinary power at normal ranges, not their ability to deliver normal power at extrodinary ranges.

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Location: North Warren, PA USA
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Thanks Don for the good advice I really like the 308 I read alot on it I like to shoot targets as well I know that I can shoot straight as for one of those who can shoot at any angle I for the most part could but if I don't have the right shot I will not chance in wounding an animal for the sake of shoot it I ride my self on being a fairly goodhunter where I live I don't get game every year but that is not to lack of see any it is due most part to having the best possible shot to make a clean kill . that is where I seperate my self from someof the guys I hunt with who I try to help get a deer or what ever we are hunting for at the time.
I rather see someone bag an animal sometimes than me take one I enjoy watching there reaction after the bag an animal it is a good feeling to know that I help them get it by showing them where to be or spotting them in the brush I enjoy this alot but that is just me.

I am looking towards the 308 for all around big game in Pa white tails , black bear , elk if I get lucky to draw in lottery, I just want something that I can shoot long range to when out for pratice shoots on the range of 400+ yards and still have good stoping power at this range. I really don't want to get a magnum for the reason of recoil. so if that helps you out a little more in helping me out tahnks again Don for the advice I greatly am thankful.

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I think allowing that Brown Bears might be hunted is a mistake. How many people actually ever get a chance to hunt them? For the sake of discussion maybe they could be added and then I'd still pick one of two cartridges. Either the 7x57 or the 280 Rem. If you are hunting the Brown Bear with one, you are hunting him. I have never hunted them but have been very close to a couple in a safe setting. They are big but I've heard that the ave. Brown is about the size of a big grizzly and either 7mm w/175gr premiun type bullets, Nosler partition or Barnes TSX? should work well. After the Brown Bear, I can't see burdening myself with a cartridge for deer, antelope and elk with that much recoil. In truth, I have no intention of ever hunting Browns or Grizzly's.

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