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I recently inhereted a 100acre property, just north or Hanover ontario, for a few years I've considered getting my deer license and now I've finally decided to get it.
The first question is a rifle, the area is mostly mixed forest with some parts only hardwood, some swampy are with cedars and some clearings and a creek, also the from 15 acres are grain field, so probably no shots much over 100 yards. I was thinking of the remington 710 or maybe the remington 700ADL and I'm undecided on the calibre. My neighbour up there uses a browning .270, but I think I'm looking for something cheaper. Right now I have a couple .22 LR which came with the property so I'm not entirely new to guns.

I'm also wondering about the effort involved in dragging a deer out of the bush (or to a trail). I'm considering a few spots to buils a stand, and I want to make sure I'm not in over my head dragging a deer out.
Those are all the questions for now but I'm sure there will be many more before the season rolls around

Thanks for all the help

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Welcome Night Raider Big smile Congrats on your 100 acres, sounds like a really good area.
There are some real gun experts around here so I'm sure you'll get plenty of advice on that subject. My 2 cents would be the .270. That's what I have used for years and has worked well in all conditions. If you don't get enough advice here try the long gun forum. You may want to consider if there are other game animals in your area that you may want to hunt later.
Dragging a deer out of the woods is no easy task unless you're going down hill all the way, but don't let that be your only consideration for setting up a blind or stand. There are many ways to get that deer out. Field dress him to make him lighter, call the neighbors to come help, ATV's, quarter him if you need to, heck call me I'll come help drag him
Welcome again and keep those questions coming Thumbs up

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Welcome to BGH

My first consideration when hunting was ALWAYS how far and difficult it would be to get the animals out. Where were the ATVs when i needed them forty years ago?
I think you are on the right track with the 270, Remington make great rifles

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I don't like the REM. 710 but the others are great. I'd keep a watch out for a good used Rem.,Ruger , Winchester , or Savage in 3006, 270, 308 or 7mm08 . All these would be perfect for your needs. There are lots ot compact 2 wheel carts made to haul deer out or you can make one using a couple of bicicle wheels. They work really well.

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The calibres I had been considering are .270 and 30-06, but I'm open to all suggestions. I have a small tractor and trailer on the property, and there are trails that will get within 400-500 yards at the most of where I would have a stand.

jd- would you be able to expand on the reasons you don't like the 710, the price is probably the most attractive feature from my point of view. I would like to hear from experienced hunters/shooters on the subject.

thanks for all the responses

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I've never seen one but have heard good reports about the Stevens 200. Sounds like price is a concideration.

For cartridges, there's to many to list that would be fine. You don't reload so a good selection of factory ammo is nice; 7mm-08, 270, 30-06 and 308, would be top contenders. Any and all work very well for game much larger than deer, they will work well for deer.

The rifle you should chose with care. Sounds like you have close shooting. A long barrel just doesnt handle all thet well, long being 24" or longer. Also a short barrel while handy, doesnt swing real well. What I find I like best is a barrel between 20" and 23". The 308 and the 7mm-08 will work very well with 20" and 22" barrels. The 270 and 30-06 I believe are better suited to 22" to 24" barrels. Go find ANY rifles and pick them up and handle them. Make a note of how the barrel length changes the handling qualities.

Then you'll probally want sights. Most rifles come with open sights and I've no idea why. They are harder to align as you have to focus on three points at the same time, your eyes don't do that well. In dim light (early and evening in the woods) they become even harder to see. For sight I am inclined to use low power scopes on my rifles for hunting like your talking about. I have a 2 3/4 power on one rifle (30-06) and a 1-4 power on another (6.5x55). What both do very very well is give you a large field of view and collect lots of light for early and evening shooting. The wide field of view makes picking up the game thru the scope much easier.

Those scopes are hard to find tho so I'd recommend a mid price range 2-7 power. The 2-7 power will give you all the magnification you'll ever need for a big game hunting rifle and will sit lower on the rifle which will keep your rifle better handling. A 3-9 power is probally the most used scope out there but seldom if ever will you need 9 power and you may find it left on 9 power at a very inopertune moment!

It would appear from what I just wrote that the least important part of the whole thing is the cartridge; I believe it is! The cartridge is mearly the engine that drives the bullet. Once you figure out what you want, come back and ask about bullets.

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Night Raider wrote:
The calibres I had been considering are .270 and 30-06, but I'm open to all suggestions. I have a small tractor and trailer on the property, and there are trails that will get within 400-500 yards at the most of where I would have a stand.

jd- would you be able to expand on the reasons you don't like the 710, the price is probably the most attractive feature from my point of view. I would like to hear from experienced hunters/shooters on the subject.

thanks for all the responses

First welcome to the forum. You asked why not 710? They are not made to the same standards that the 700 series rifles are made to. A few corners were cut to produce the rifle and keep it cheap. Having the choice of 710 or 700 adl the 700 would be my choice. Having said that, a friend has the 710 and I have taken shots from it and it was very accurate and felt okay. If you are only going to use it once a year for hunting then it will probably be fine. If money is an issue, the savages make excellent rifles and are amoung the best deals going. As for caliber, you can't go wrong with any of the choices stated... .308win, 30-06, or .270. You have endless choices for ammo in all the above.

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As Chester said the 710 is not made up to the standards of the 700. The bolt rides on a polimer (plastic) rail. While this may work I don't see it lasting. The rifle is made to cover a segment of the market that wants a cheaper rifle as are some cars. It will probably get you where you want to go but is cheaply made. I'd much rather have a used quality made rifle than this one. I've handled and shot the 710 and it does work but is not what I'd buy. Please don't let my opinion keep you from buying one if thats what you want but better rifles are there for similar money. Also invest in a decent scope. You won' t be handicapped. Many used rifles are sold with good scopes already mounted.

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Hi Night Raider, you have some good advise on guns above. As far as worrying about getting him out of the woods on a 100 ac lot , that would be my last thought . Getting him down is going to be your biggest chore. After you have him field dressed just take your time. Drag a little rest a little. If it takes all day so be it. If its getting dark mark the spot and come back with a friend and a flashlight. If you have a lot of coyotes in the area leave a hat or something with human sent on it to keep them away until you get back. I hunt alone and enjoy getting my buck out myself. Sounds like you have a nice piece of property . You might want to check for signs where the swamp meets the hardwoods. Good luck.

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Thanks for all the great advice. If anyone can think of questions I should be asking (and possibly the answers too) that would be much appreciated. I'm sure in the middle of the season I will come up with many questions, but then it will be too late, so I'd like to avoid that if at all possible.

Thanks

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Do you know the land very well? Do you need to scout the place? Do you know where you are going to set up a blind or stand? Do you have good deer numbers on that property?

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