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How young do you think he is?

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I've never refuted that Hotmoon hasn't given a lot of good advise or helped alot of people out. I do agree with much of whats been said but many generic statements have been made as being verbatim bear behaviour and it just isn't so. And thats not fair to guys who wanna learn. You can't make a blanket statement or prediction about what a bear does unless you consider whether that particular animal is a sow, a cub, a juvenile or an adult boar. If guys here don't want to listen to alternative theories thats up to them. And if I make a comment that someone refutes, I'll listen and respond or rebut without including some derogatory emoticon. I won't cuss them down, I won't make derogatory insinuations and I won't insult their mother. I'm a newbie on this board but I'm definitely not a newbie to hunting. So, my posts you can either read and question or learn from or ignore.

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I don't want to sep on any toes or cause a total melt down of this thread or this forum, but I have to agree on some points. To generalize every bear by saying this is how they are going to react to this, or that every bear will be scared off if you bait at this time is just not 100% true. Bear are unique individuals just as people are. Some may be scared off if you chose to bait at 5pm instead of 5am or visa versa, but some may just not give a damn. I have had large boars sit within 100 yds and watch me dump food into a barrel only to move in as soon as I left. Others will not be seen during daytime hours. It all depends on how accustom to people they are and if they have ever been educated or had a bad experience with man.
It's just my personal experience that bear are as different in thier behavior as one person is compared to another. I do not claim to be an expert, but I do live my daily life around these animals. Hardly a day goes by I don't see them on the road or share a fishing hole with one or more. Every bear I encounter is different, some run at the first sight, sound, or smell of man, others are currious and stay a little too long just to see whats going on, and on one occasion I came across one I can honestly say had bad intentions in mind for me. He stalked me out of an alder thicket and we had a little face to face (3 feet) stand off on the trail that lasted about 10 sec. before he slowly turned and walked (not ran) off. Now according to what bears are "always supposed to do" that bear should have high tailed out of dodge when he heard me beating the bush for the half hour I was looking for him insead of hanging around and ultimately following me out. It just goes to show bear behavior is not predictable nor should it be considerd to be predictable wether you are hunting them or just in thier area recreationaly. If you don't believe me just ask Timmothy Treadwell.

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I didn't want to reply simply because i agree with what hunter 777 said earlier. but here goes :

I never said all bears are the same , i never said they are predictable, , i never said they don't come into baits at anytime, i forget what else !
having said that, u can sometime predict what this bear or that bear might do after watching him closely during the many visits to the site. we can never tell what's going on in the bear's head but we can fairly predict as all hunters do ( and that's what make hunters succesful when hunting them ) what this or that bear will do. to back this up 99% of all big boars shot were shot during the last hour of daylight.. isn't that a prediction ?

to comment on the predictable and the behavior and as should and shouldn't specially not to treat them all the same if u go back to the begining of this post i was clear to say and i quote :

"first of all nothing is hard to train if You stay on top of it, some bears take a lot longer time to do what we want them to do and some are just too easy. But there is always a couple that will drive You crazy even though You been throwing everything You know at them and You been doing it by the book and still fall short ."

I also mentioned that i use different technique on different bears , and u see that when i told porka that" I ONLY HANG MY CLOTHES NEAR THE BAIT ONLY WHEN I AM DEALING WITH WISE FINICKY BOARS "

sure we see bears out in the open but may i ask how often ? THE BEARS U SEE WHEN HUNTING GAMES ARE NOT THE SAME BEARS THAT COME TO UR BAITING SITE ,, THE DIFFERENCE IS THE BEARS U SEE WALKING HERE AND THERE ARE DOING THEY DAILY ROUTINE, BUT THE BEARS THAT COME TO A BAIT SITE THEY COME WEERY AND CAUTIOUS SO THEREFORE SHOULD NEVER COMPARE THEM BOTH AS THE SAME .sure bears come to feed at ur bait sometimes right after u leave, or the first hour of u being there and on and on and on but how big these bears are? and if big how often does it happen ?... but if this is the case and big bears are easy and should be seen as we see them every now and then then why porka not seeing them ? so the bears porka is dealing with are not those that u see in the open or minutes after u settle in other wise he would have tagged his bear long time ago, so the bears porka is dealing with are NOCTURNAL BEARS not any BEARS , BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO so all the technique provided to porka are based on technique used by many hunters and of course me , from the day one this post started i was telling porka to try this and if it didn't work we try that and so on ,,!!!!!!!!

I've been hunting bears for 20 years and sorry to mention this , i don't mean to brag but in those 20 years i got 37 bears , not all 37 berars i shot i used the same technique nor i said that to porka !!

read the whole post again and u will see that i have changed many things so we can trick this bear,, i even told porak to make a new bait site and add bait to it at 3 oclock which something i told him never to do !!

now regarding baiting ,,, and the rule # 1 of 6 HOURS BEFORE SUNSET ... well many times ( and it happened to me ) i bait and few minutes later few bears show up,, yeah it happens, but those bears are the dumb, young one,, that's why an outfitter ( if he care enough )will tell u not shoot the first bear u see coming and hold on for later.
everybody know big boars come late, does it mean they never come during the day ? but how often they do ??

BIG BEARS AND SPECIALLY NOCTURNAL BEARS LIKE THOSE PORKA DEALING WITH WILL NOT COME DURING THE DAY, porka tried many days without success,, everything said here was to deal with NOCTURNAL BEARS ONLY .. so if u bait late bears will come late. why ? because bears will wait a while before commiting and specially BIG BOARS AND NOCTURNAL BEARS, so after baiting late and bear waiting as they usualy do it will be too late to see this bear feeding during daylights because u started late.. if u bait early and bear wait as they usualy do then u will get a chance to see them during daylight cause u started early (BIG BOARS AND NOCTURNAL BOARS),, u see we do this because many years of hunting them tought us how they react o things, everything here is the foundation of any bear hunter outthere and i suggest u take everything i said here with u when bear hunting !

smell !!
why we wear rubber boots if odor is not a big deal ? every hunter know without rubber boots u cannot hunt bears !! PERIOD !!!!!
rubber boots to kill ur fresh smell,, u don't wear rubber boots bears will know the exact time u walked the trail.. smell is the moist important part of this whole thing i recommend readers to stick with my advice regarding the smell , and yeah u know as mentioned in one of the post someone said bears should be used to human scent because of the human activity nearby,, well i could not disagree more on this !! rubber boots should be a starter on this and second,,if the bears are used to human scent then why the hell these bears are giving porka hard time ?! if they r use to it then they should be walking anytime anywhere and all over the palce specially when porka is on his stand waiting !
these bears are afraid and want nothing to do with human because of the activity nearby and therefor they have turned nocturnal and therfore they will not come near the bait soon they the slightest human scent, that's why the brown bear circled around the site at one time and left soon he cought porka's scent

i do not want to explain about the fresh odor again, u look for it in this post, the scentless soap will not kill ur scent completly but it will reduce it enough to trick the bear and convince him to come, bears as human are alike,, if the smell is not strong enough he will not be able to smell it from far, and soon he enter the site he will be able to smell it but by then it's too late.. if the smell is strong he will be able to smell it from a distance not even u will notice that a bear was near !
that's why again i told porka to work and advertise his smell near the baits but once hunting use scentless soap to help reduce his smell so the bears will only smell his old odor not the fresh one ..and that's why i told porka to use different clothe when baiting and when hunting, because we want to minimize his scent as much as possible why ?!! because he is dealing with NOCTURNAL BEARS, and NOCTURNAL BEARS DO NOT TURN NOCTURNAL UNLESS THEY LIVE IN AN AREA WITH LOTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITY AROUND.. NOTHING TURN BEARS NOCTURNAL EXCEPT HUMAN ! . IF U KNOW BEARS ENOUGH U WILL AGREE ON THAT ONE!!

i recommend u read the whole post over and over again

and by the way,, sawbill u r welcome to say ur opinion , and i am just like yourself farily new to this forum, so go ahead and say ur mind and share ur experience and be sure u will still make friends on this forum.. i myself never take anything personal specially when it comes to hunting cause like hunter 777 said each one of us hunt different.. 37 bears and still counting should tell me something , if porka or others decide to follow that's good if not it is entirely up to them

looking forward to share ur hunting technique and stories !

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redrider wrote:
How young do you think he is?

Redrider , it's hard for me to predict cause bears from different country can be few pound heavier or smaller but let's say this bear is here in Alberta i would say based on the fuzzy hair on his shoulders and the body shape this bear is about 2 years old ,, young and foolish bears will not score big ! young and foolish bears come to bait during the day as it is the case with this bear !

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HoTm00n, how old do you think the big brown is? He's still coming mostly during the day

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When is your next season open for this bear? Will he still be around?

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porkapatamus wrote:
HoTm00n, how old do you think the big brown is? He's still coming mostly during the day

Porka, didn't i predict that ? didn't i say soon things settle down the bear will start coming during the daylights ?
He is coming during daylight now because WE TRAINED him to do it,, because baiting early specially when too many bears around will generate competition among them so that will drive bears to come early and feed fast, other reason also for coming early when u bait early is mentioned on this post.

regarding the age,, well i think this bear is 8 years 3 months 2 weeks and few hours old,, nahh i am lying.. we can never tell how old but my estimation i would say over 4 years for sure. it could be alot more, a BOAR for sure
to find the exact age u gotta take blood samples and have a close check up

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redrider wrote:
When is your next season open for this bear? Will he still be around?

That is something we cannot predict Redrider !
but based on my experience with bears i can say that it is gonna be alot harder to do so..

few things might happen:

1 this bear will only show up once or twice a week ( more or less )
2 keep coming on daily basis
3 die
4 leave ( although i doubt that , but it could still happen )

that's why i 've said it manytimes in this post that when things change we deal with it then !! u should take bears hunting one day at a time

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redrider wrote:
When is your next season open for this bear? Will he still be around?

If you're asking me redrider, season opens again Aug 30.

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