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Pork,
This post was so interesting. I am almost in the same boat as you. Thank you all very much for the great advice. Briefly, we established a bait site after seeing a boar while turkey hunting. within 3 days bait was gone. we have been adding to it every other day. We saw a small cinnamon bear on our 4th day, but we still have over a month so we decided to wait. He was about 4 feet tall when he stood up.

We have 3 huge piles of bear scat and a couple of small ones. We know they are there. We saw the little guy at 6:45am...have gone back between 6-10am on 2 occasions (nothing). Have gone in at 6-10pm and saw nothing but an empty drum.

Should we bait early and then stay and forget about the night baiting?
I hope to give you all some pics soon. Good luck Pork.

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Porka that is one mean @#$@#$ bear go get Him !

I hope You bag Him soon!

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I got some bad news guys... A few days ago I discovered that another hunter had moved in on my bait site, and setup his only about 75 yards from mine. This has got to be why I can't get these bears trained to come in during the day. I'm pissed!!!! Why do people gotta be that way?

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Hey Porka !

Have u done everything I told u to do ?
if u did and bears still coming at night then u have another problem tht u might need to look into..

I think I know where the problem is but again let's make sure first before we try to do anything , If I were u i would not worry too much about the loser hunter next to ur site cause i think he will have nocturnal bears hitting his site as well.. I am 100% sure of it .

tell me this first

1- how far the site is from the road ? u've mentioned that u drove ur truck all the way to ur site at one time .

2- how far is ur site from the camping ground ?

3- is ur site has thick cover ? and by looking at it u think bears will feel safe in it?

4- are bears still coming at night and eating the bait or they are gone ? if they are still coming at what time they are showing up ?

5- how often u r adding fresh bait to ur station ?

6- forgot to ask u about the trail the bears are using to enter and leave ur site,, have u checked that for me ? if not check it and get back to me.. on every bait the bears will use the same trail to enter and the a different trail to leave the bait site .. check these trails for me and tell me if the bears are stepping in the same tracks over and over again .

7- i gather u r checking ur bait site early morning now right ? go check for the snapping twigs the bear is leaving behind at the bear patrol route, to find it u look for bent vegetaion and fresh depression in the grass or turf. BUT DO NOT AND I REPEAT DO NOT STEP IN HIS TRACKS , WALK NEXT TO IT OR AS FAR AS U CAN WHILE U CAN STILL SEE THE TRACKS

8- is the hunter bait site located behind u or in front of u , left or right further down from that road or closer ?if u don't know go check for me please??

9- is this guy getting any hits ? if so go check where is the trail the bears are using to enter his site STEP IN THE BEAR TRACKS AND MAKE SURE U DO IT BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT 600000 TIMES?

I hate to see something like this happen to any fellow hunter, things were going in the right direction for u but out of nowhere a loser decide to screw u up and do this to u , well we r gonna play a nice smart game on this new hunter and the bears. and in the end u will tag ur bear but we need to be smart and quick , we have 1 shot at it so let's do this
we don't wanna do too much here cause if the bear know u r after him he is gonna abandon the site altogether, specially that another food source is available for him now 75 yards away from u.

I am almost 10000000 % sure that the location u picked for ur site is not a good bear site, there is bears there for sure but if bears don't feel safe they will only come at night and feed.. I think this is why u have nocturnal bears .

after u answer me back I will look into it and try to help u out before the season run out . how long before the end of the season ?
if the site turn out to be what i think it is then u will fix this in 2-3 days maximum which u will have enough time to bag ur bear before too late .

what I am going to do is make a new post and call it (bear quiz test your knowledge ) and i will have lots of questions regarding bait locations and bear reactions, and all new bear hunters gonna answer these question and at the end i will give the correct answers and by doing this all new bear hunters will learn alot form it..
I usualy do this to my students each year .
hopefully I can do this in the next few days .

hurry back with ur answers

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Hey HoTm00n,

More answers:

1- how far the site is from the road ? u've mentioned that u drove ur truck all the way to ur site at one time .
(We drive on the road most of the way to our bait site, then park and walk in about 100 yards.)

2- how far is ur site from the camping ground ?
(It's hard to estimate, but I'd guess about 500 yards)

3- is ur site has thick cover ? and by looking at it u think bears will feel safe in it?
(About as thick of cover as it gets up in the area we are in. It's not the thickest though. If I'm in my tree stand, I can only see a bear coming in when he's about 30 yards away from me.)

4- are bears still coming at night and eating the bait or they are gone ? if they are still coming at what time they are showing up ?
(This I can't answer quite yet. Our film didn't take for two nights, and I didn't get a chance to make it up there yesterday or today. Too much family in town, and I know I should have gone, but what can ya do? he he)

5- how often u r adding fresh bait to ur station ?
(daily, in the mornings at about 9:00-10:00am. Still to late?)

6- forgot to ask u about the traill the bear is using to enter and leave ur site,, have u checked that for me ? if not check for me and tell me .. every bait the bears will use the same trail to enter the bait site and a trail to leave the bait site .. check these trails for me and tell me if the bears are stepping in the same tracks over and over again .
(There are three different beaten paths that bears are coming from, and pictures tell us there are about three different bears. I walked the path that looked most beaten. They are stepping in the same tracks. I followed the path up, and about 40 yards down it, I heard something heavy running away. I kept walking, and about 75 feet in, I found a place next to a big tree that had fallen where a bear had dug out some dirt, and looked to be sleeping there.)

7- i gather u r checking ur bait site early morning now right ? go check for the snapping twigs the bear is leaving behind at the bear patrol route, to find it u look for bent vegetaion and fresh depression in the grass or turf. BUT DO NOT AND I REPEAT DO NOT STEP IN HIS TRACKS , WALK NEXT TO IT OR AS FAR AS U CAN WHILE U CAN STILL SEE THE TRACKS
(yes, we check it in the morning, and we are still getting hit daily, although they don't seem to be eating much of anything we have anymore. Just digging it out.)

8- is the hunter bait site located behind u or in front of u , left or right if u don't know go check for me please??
(Sitting in my tree stand, the other hunter's bait site would be to my right, and down about 50-75 yards.)

9- is this guy getting any hits ? if so go check where is the trail the bears are using to enter his site STEP IN THE BEAR TRACKS AND MAKE SURE U DO IT BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH BACK AND FORTH ABOUT 600000 TIMES?
(I have checked out his bait site. He is getting hits, but in our pictures, we have seen one bear that comes up from a trail that seems to connect our bait site and his, but this bear never eats ours, just walks on by. This other bait site also had cow carcasses in it, which is ILLEGAL in our state. Good suggestion on walking on his bear's paths. I will do that tomorrow morning when I am up there.)

Some other info:

-I've been trying your suggestions, but I'm wondering if it's just too hard to train these bears when I'm going up all the time, and who knows when this other hunter is going up. What do you think?

-I sat all Thursday morning and afternoon in my tree stand, and had a friend leave me as the decoy. Nothing came in. We have seen one bear that comes in late morning, or late evening. But when I sit these times, still see nothing.

-It's been raining nonstop here for the last two days. Will this affect the bear's behavior at all?

-Season ends on the 31st of this month, but starts again end of August.

-Just curious. When I'm sitting in my tree stand, how quiet do I need to be? Can I adjust my legs when they fall asleep? Can I get a drink of water? Can I brush off that pesky masquito?

Thanks for all your help. Time is running out, and I got really discouraged when I found that other bait site, but maybe we'll get lucky in the next three days.

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porkapatamus wrote:
Hey HoTm00n,

Some other info:

-I've been trying your suggestions, but I'm wondering if it's just too hard to train these bears when I'm going up all the time, and who knows when this other hunter is going up. What do you think?

-I sat all Thursday morning and afternoon in my tree stand, and had a friend leave me as the decoy. Nothing came in. We have seen one bear that comes in late morning, or late evening. But when I sit these times, still see nothing.

-It's been raining nonstop here for the last two days. Will this affect the bear's behavior at all?

-Season ends on the 31st of this month, but starts again end of August.

-Just curious. When I'm sitting in my tree stand, how quiet do I need to be? Can I adjust my legs when they fall asleep? Can I get a drink of water? Can I brush off that pesky masquito?

Thanks for all your help. Time is running out, and I got really discouraged when I found that other bait site, but maybe we'll get lucky in the next three days.

Hi Porka
You are dealing with finicky bears , I just don't know how big and wise these bears are but it seems they had close encounter with human before and they don't want to experience it again.
It's hard for Me to judge , I am only guessing since I am not there to see it with my own eyes , I am only reading what u r telling me and taking my decision based on ur story, don't take me wrong and think that i don't trust You or u r wrong but it could happen where u miss a clue here or there and this could the missing piece that i am looking for.
Again I think the site u picked is not a good site for baiting, the site has everything a bear need to feel safe but with a camp ground nearby , the bears has too much contact with ppl and that my friend will turn the bears nocturnal .

Now having said that and since we only have 3 days left to hunt we are gonna try to work with what we got .

first of all nothing is hard to train if You stay on top of it, some bears take a lot longer time to do what we want them to do and some are just too easy. But there is always a couple that will drive You crazy even though You been throwing everything You know at them and You been doing it by the book and still fall short .
I don't think You are dealing with these bears , but You are dealing with few scared bears for the reason i mentioned above but like i said we are gonna have to work with what we've got since we only have 3 days left. I will tell You my recommendation at the end for ur next hunt in case You didn't tag a bear this season.!

another reason why bears are not coming when You are there is because they know You are there !
all the decoy tricks and spray and sit quiet will not help You in anyway if the bears know You are still there ..
How do bears know You are still there ?
1- SMELL
2- wrong tree stand setup

I am gonna talk in detail about the odor we leave behind but first I wanna talk about the wrong tree stand setup .
Sometimes it takes few adjustment for ur tree stand to finally convience the bear to come ,, is ur stand hiding well and covered with boughs and leafs? high enough ? not on top of the trail bears are using to come in ?

SMELL
smell or human odor is our enemy number 1!!!
Lots of hunters know that to leave ur odor on ur bait is a good thing so the bears will get use to Your smell ,, it is true BUT .....
the smell we wanna leave behind is the old smell not the fresh one and there is a BIG dirence between the 2

the old smell I am talking about here is the one that You leave when U work on ur site while u r there , and that smell although it stays in ur bait site but it does not reproduce , in other words the smell stay but the bacteria that live in the sweat dies within few hours of touching the ground or leaving our body in this case!

Our human odor come from our sweat. the more sweat the more odor right ? so the more FRESH sweat the more FRESH odor , that's what we do not want the bear to smell !

Since bears has an extreme sense of smell they will know and recognized the fresh odor from the old one. and if they can smell fresh odor ( the one with the bacteria still in it ) then they will not come !

When You go to ur site and do little work and then go to ur stand, ur body has just generated fresh odor so no matter how long u sit bears my friend will not come specially if u r dealing with wise finicky bears .
That's why I told u in my previous post that some hunters leave their clothes hanged nearby , remember ?

Here is my tip for You to kill that fresh odor :
when You come to ur site to add fresh bait wear different clothes then those u want to hunt with and keep the one u wanna hunt with hanged on a tree in ur site high enough so bears can't reach and rip it for You.
after u finish adding fresh bait wipe urself and change ur clothes and get rid of the clothes u sweat in , I usualy walk few hundred yards far from my stand and hang them there until I finish my hunt and come back and get them later or u can leave them in ur truck .
wear the hunting clothes u were just hanging and spray urself with scent lock and get oin ur stand and hunt , but make sure u dry urself before u wear them or wipe urself with damp water rag specialy ur hair and head.
You've seen football players playing during the fall right ? what do u see coming out of their head in cold days ? steam right ? this is where all our body heat is lost and if there is heat there is sweat and if there is sweat there is odor.
i am sorry to type all these for u , maybe u've known them but i just wanted to make sure u know it.
wash ur head and face before u change ur clothes and get on ur stand and then COVER ur head with a hat or something and spray the inside and outside of the hat with scent lock , then spray the rest of ur body specially underneath the arms, private areas, shoes etc,,,

there could be many reasons why bears are not coming when u r there , as i mentioned the area , the smell is 2 very good reasons why. but there is a lot more reasons too. these 2 are the most important one i can think of right now.

my suggest if not successful this year is to change ur bait site and go little deeper in, stay away from roads and camps as far as possible where human contact is quite often.

my suggestion for the last 3 days is to do what i told u about the smell and if u want u can try a new site ( ahead of the other hunter site ) and add fresh bait to it early morning ( not too much ) and then get rid of ur smell and then get to ur tree stand and spray urself with either vanilla or anise oil . this for sure will kill ur smell but if u r bow hunting bears might come close to u to investigate and may not give u a shot , if u r rifle hunting then no problem .

I will read ur post again and see if i can help u further , so stay tune
Oh and one more thing.. the bears are not touching ur food , maybe because there is plenty of food for them now to eat or too much of ur fresh scent all over the bait,, next time do not bait everyday I only bait twice a week, but i make sure there is plenty of food to last for the next trip. the less traffic the better it is for bears. u can fix it by spraying the area with vanilla oil specially around ur bait , it does help to kill ur smell.
to compete with this guy get anise oil, vanilla and liquid smoke hickory flavore and spray ur site with it, u will beat him trust me unless he is doing the same.
And that thing u jumped in the wood 40 yards from ur bait was a bear, just as i told u that bears stick around very close , so this is the bear that been driving u crazy and eating ur tasty treats for the last few weeks neener! , now u know where he is waiting and if u think that ur tree stand is in the right position with the bear bed then keep it if not then move it , on ur last day of hunting go back to that bear but really really slow and see if u can get a crack at him , who knows u might just shoot him while he is waiting for u to leave .

DON'T GIVE UP , who knows what could happen these last 3 days , DON'T GIVE UP and keep doing it until u cannot do it anymore . Go !!

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Go make a new bait site about 200 yards deep and keep adding bait to ur old site .
on the day u make a new bait site , do it around 3 in the afternoon and stay there until dark waiting for the bear to show up,, u've got 70 % chances that the bear will show up in the evening . a HONEY BURN will bring him running if no luck take the bait with u to the old site and come back the next day and do the same thing.

make sure when u go to the new site u have scent spray with u, and make sure u r in the right spot now that u know where the bear is bedding it should be easy to pick a spot and wait for him and make sure u spary lots of anise oil and liquid smoke at yr new site . use fresh bait at ur new site

Or u could just move ur stand to the trail the bear is taking to ur old site and wait for him there , with honey burn burining at ur old site the bear will not be expecting this and u will catch him off guard,of course make sure the wind is in ur favore , i think what this bear is doing is circling around the bait site and soon he smell u he is gone , that explain why u saw him once near the bait site in the evening at one time .

It seems u r dealing with wise finicky boar, but one thing will make the bear drop his guard and that is HONEY BURN .
either on ur site or the new site do a honey burn and wait for him he will show up no doubt in my mind . again make sure u r clean and not sweating , u don't have to add fresh bait , all u have to do is honey burn and wait for him , 99 % out of 100 the bear shows up. leave some extra honey on the tree trunk.

You can also try the predator call, since u know bears are nearby this would be the best time to try it, the bears wll hear it as soon ur first call travel through the air, this will work also but make sure u are well covered and ready for it.
don't give up after few minutes calling.. kepp going at it for a while , i suggest u do it in the new site and make sure u sound like an injured rabbit not aliens from outerspace !!
always remember the wind in ur favore, spray urself with scent lock or vanilla, but be carefull if u wanna spray urself with vanilla u become food for them so be extra careful and know what u r doing .
once u spot the bear coming toward ur call don't stop until u have clear view and good shot,, stop and quickly shoot.
a bear coming to ur call is different that of a bear coming to ur bait, u will find bears more aggressive and react to any slice movement so be extra carefull and ready for anything !

all these tips will work , just who knows which one will work best on this bear , to find out try them all and take ur time while doing it

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Hey HoTM00n,

I like the idea of a new bait site 200 yards in. I will try that tomorrow evening. I will take up the honey burn, and start it at 3:00 in the afternoon like you said.

Since I don't want to move my tree stand, where is the best place to hide around my new bait site?

Also, I have camo clothes I put on over my regular clothes when I hunt. When I get to my old bait site tomorrow, I will spray myself with scent lock, then put the camo clothes on, and spray again. Will this be sufficient?

And all I need to take is a hunny burn, or should I take food as well to my new site?

Thanks!!

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porkapatamus wrote:
Hey HoTM00n,

I like the idea of a new bait site 200 yards in. I will try that tomorrow evening. I will take up the honey burn, and start it at 3:00 in the afternoon like you said.

Since I don't want to move my tree stand, where is the best place to hide around my new bait site?

Also, I have camo clothes I put on over my regular clothes when I hunt. When I get to my old bait site tomorrow, I will spray myself with scent lock, then put the camo clothes on, and spray again. Will this be sufficient?

And all I need to take is a hunny burn, or should I take food as well to my new site?

Thanks!!

I will draw a map for u to give u a better idea in few minutes .
when u go 200 yards deep u walk slow and try not to make any noise at all,, sneak in to the new site and put meat on the ground and burn honey and hold still ,, DO NOT MOVE , get a head net to help u cope , try not to move or talk or even breath !!
KEEP UR BACK TO A BIG STRONG TREE the bear might come from behind , settle in and wait for him to show up, DO NOT MOVE !! DO NOT MOVE !!
With s setup like the map I am about to draw for u the bear might come either from ur left side ( the bed side ) or right side ( the bait side ) but again I haven't seen the terrain so I am only guessing ! just DON'T MOVE !
little bit of meat won't hurt , just lots of anise oil , liquid smoke, vanilla will do the trick . try not to sweat so walk slowly this will also help keep the noise to the minimum so the bear don't hear u .We do not want the bear to hear us going to the new site, take ur time even if it's gonna take FEW HOURS to walk few hundred yards !
it will sure help to spray urself as much as possible but make sure u cover ur head and spray the inside and outside of ur hat . it is bettr if u r on high ground like tree stand but if u cannot try to find a comfy tree and climb it , if u don't feel like it , or u think u won't last long on it then stay on ground but again DON'T MOVE, I recommend u dig a small hole . TRY NOT TO SWEAT TOO MUCH, it's even better if you don't sweat at all and sit in it and cover urself with boughs and leaves.
once u setup everything and ready for ur hunt ,, DON'T MOVE OR MAKE ANY NOISES and it will sure help if u quit breathing while u r there waiting !

Use cookies and sweet baits , this is better for bears at this time of the year and u offer the bear something different of what the other hunter is offering him !

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here is the map

1- the pink color cutting line is the trail u take to ur new site
2- the green X mark is the bear bed
3- the orange X mark is ur new site
4- the yellow X mark is where u ambush the Bear
5- the red X mark is ur old site
6- the green color cutting line is the trail the bear may take to reach ur site

U do it this way if the wind is as showing in the pic,,simply switch sides if the wind is on the oposite

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