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Bear hunters, guides and butchers. I have a horrible ending to an almost unbelievable story. The summery of the story is a legit dressed 500# (weighed on a feed scale), est. round weight of 590# bear with a skull at 20 13/16 shot with my bow. Sounds like a dream right, wrong this is were it became my nightmare. My skull was cut apart, with approx. 4" not attached.
This is the question, what is the responsibilty of the butcher who did this to my bear. I was told several times not to worry about the bear when i dropped it off because they had done hundreds of bears before. I also expressed deep concerns about the skull and hide not being dragged and or damaged.
Back ground of the hunt. Three years ago i heard about this bear and asked to hunt for him. I was given permission to hunt this bear only. The next year i hunted him all i got was late night pictures of him, and had some nice ones come in on me. This year i got him to come out just before legal shooting ended. No matter what, this hunt is one i will never forget and will reflect back to all the time. I would just like to hear back from some folks that understand the amount of time and energy it takes to out smart these awesome animals. And maybe hear some similar stories and the outcomes of what you have done.

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mnbearnut, welcome to BGH first ! This is truley an amazing and sad story. I don't think you could get anything out of the butcher for what he has done and I don't know how you would, or could, put a price on something like this. I would think with a bear of this size you would have stopped by the taxidermist first and as a good taxidemist he would have taken the head off for you so it could be taken care of. Did you take the hide from the bear to the taxidermist? There is no way I would let a butcher take care of my trophy that way. Also depending on how the butcher cut the skull it can be put back together, the sad thing is he can not be officially scored !

I am not pointing this next part towards you or anyone, but I do see this a lot. People spend thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours chasing the animals of there dreams, and when they finally take a trophy of there dreams they find the cheapest or fastest taxidermist they can. 99.9 percent of the time the more you spend the better the product will be, never skimp on the taxidermist.

Again truly sad, sad story !

My buddy killed a huge 7' 1" black bear in 1996, it had a 20" skull, before he had gone hunting he asked my opionion on a taxidermist and I told him what I thought. After he killed the bear he took it to a different taxdermist, he is one those guys who penny pinches and shops around, which is great but he did not know what he was looking at when it came to the work. Now his bear is not ruined, but his bear looks the same as several hundred bears in Grand Junctoin, Co. And the work is not that great. He has to look at that every day ! He took a smaller bear a couple of years later and had a half mount done by the taxidermist I suggested and the small bear blows him away.

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I gather this was a DIY hunt? I don't know of any outfitter who would treat their guests animals in this fashion but a butcher is just that--a butcher.
Its too bad, I doubt you'll ever get another bear to weigh in at over 500 lbs. They're a rare occurance and thats why they're trophys.

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This is horrible and I feel for you.

I got my first bear this year. I am a 20 year old college student and I hundreds of miles on several occasions and got him on my own. I was not going to be able to get a rug made but my dad said that he would front me the money and let me work it off at his furniture moving company over the summer.

Well I called the taxidermist last month to see if he would be in Denver so I could pick up my skull (I'm going to Euro mount it myself; no sense in paying someone else to do this easy task). The first thing he says is, "oh, there was a mixup..." I'm thinking, "oh no there wasn't!" As it turns out, he says that the tannery just hadn't tanned it because they were working on the wrong side of his storage palet at the shop.

I wonder if this is the truth or if something shady is taking place. I am glad I came across your post because it has lit a fire under my ass to figure out what the hell is going on. I'm calling him up tomorrow and figuring out. If I'm getting yanked around I'm going to find out about before it gets worse. Hopefully this is not the case but only time will tell.

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Hey hawkeye I don't want to scare you, but I'll tell you right now I would be worried ! I can walk in to my taxidermists shop at anytime and find one of my capes from three years ago, and the taxidermist is a very, very busy shop with litterally hundreds of animals in his shop.

I would definitely stay on top of this guy ! Did you put down a deposit? There are quite a few taxidermists out there that wont do a thing with your animal until you do !

I am a "crazed lunatic" when it comes to the look of my mounts. When my animals are being mounted I am sitting right beside my taxidemist that away it is exactly the way I want it ! There aren't a lot of taxidemists out there that will let you do that !

I trulely hope everything turns out well.

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He is based out of a town in the mountains and comes to Denver to pick everything up and drop everything off. I have not put down a deposite but the problem arose with the tannery not tanning it so he could start working on it. He is going to be in Denver this weekend and I'm going to put down my deposite, pick my border/felt colors, and pick up my skull.

If he lived a little closer I would definitly want to check in on the work. But with me up in Fort Collins for school that is a little out of the question. Is there any way that a hide sitting untanned that long could cause it to shrink or anything like that. That would not sit well with me.

P.S. you have quite the man cave going. I am glad that I am getting mine started.

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Does anyone have any suggestions on colors for the felt borders on bear rugs. My bear is a deep chocolate. I was thinking dark brown and tan would look good.

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Thanks ! As long as it was salted well it will be fine. Brown and tan looks very well, also on that color faze dark blue and dark brown looks very well.

How are you doing the skull ? If you boil it, it takes around 10 hours to do it correctly. The biggest mistake people make is continuosly boiling it. Would like to see a pic when it is done. Yes

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I have never done a bear but did my nontypical elk and my mulie buck. I will get of those Euro mounts when I go to Denver. For both those I skinned out the head and then boiled untill I could rip off flesh. Then I would get new water and new dishsoap and repeat untill the flesh was off. Then I created a paste out of powder bleach and concentrated peroxide (salon strength) and pasted it on the skull. I would let it sit over night and rinse it off and repeat. Both turned out nicely.

What do you mean "continuously boiling it" and what does that do to the skull? I'm guessing with bears you don't want to boil it too long so as to not affect size?

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It sounds like you did great. By continuosly boiling it I meant keeping it at a hard boil the whole time. After you get the bulk of the flesh off bring to a boil and then turn down the heat to simmer. Also when you are done take some clear fingernail polish and put it on the teeth because the they will split. The polish will keep them together.

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mnbearnut wrote:
Bear hunters, guides and butchers. I have a horrible ending to an almost unbelievable story. The summery of the story is a legit dressed 500# (weighed on a feed scale), est. round weight of 590# bear with a skull at 20 13/16 shot with my bow. Sounds like a dream right, wrong this is were it became my nightmare. My skull was cut apart, with approx. 4" not attached.
This is the question, what is the responsibilty of the butcher who did this to my bear. I was told several times not to worry about the bear when i dropped it off because they had done hundreds of bears before. I also expressed deep concerns about the skull and hide not being dragged and or damaged.
Back ground of the hunt. Three years ago i heard about this bear and asked to hunt for him. I was given permission to hunt this bear only. The next year i hunted him all i got was late night pictures of him, and had some nice ones come in on me. This year i got him to come out just before legal shooting ended. No matter what, this hunt is one i will never forget and will reflect back to all the time. I would just like to hear back from some folks that understand the amount of time and energy it takes to out smart these awesome animals. And maybe hear some similar stories and the outcomes of what you have done.

I feel for you, but at the same time I really don't know what to say.
I have killed numerous bears, including a 20+ incher, and I would not have trusted any butcher with any of them. Butchers are just that, butchers.

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