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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html

Fact check dot org is a good source used by both parties to get to the bottom of contested statements

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JTapia wrote:
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SoCo,

I should have known better than to expect a line item response refuting the facts. You have yet to do so from several posts.

Whelland, you won't get an answer from any of the poor, abused liberals of the world. They have nothing to back up anything because there has been no positive action by this candidate to post.
Your typical responses are " what Bush has did or not did" or "what McCain has did or not did". And then there is the ole stand by favorite quote from a liberal asked to put up an Obama achievement, " Bush lied and I hate him". Brick Wall,)

You sound like the poor abused whiner. Grow up.

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If it's BS, SoCo, prove me wrong -- show me pics of Obama shaking hands with any of the troops. Show him working a line for handshakes. Show me anything that says he made an effort. Heck, I've got pictures of Chuck Norris and other celebrities posing with people in the AOR. Surely a presumptive nominee for president would invest the time to grip and grin with the troops, if for no other reason than to try to dispel the notion that he looks down on the military.

In return, I'll talk about cancelling the trip to Landstuhl because he couldn't take the cameras with him. If he would've stuck to his itinerary and ditched the cameras, he might've earned some credibility. But he went to the gym instead. I work out every day, too, but I'll miss a day if I have to choose between my workout and something big. Remember, this is a guy that keeps bragging about how superior his judgment is. Commander in Chief is a big deal -- and there's not a senior leader in the military that would put personal interest ahead of a commitment he'd made to the troops. From a military leadership perspective, doing what he did (and how he did it) is spectacularly bad judgment.

If there's one thing that military members despise, it's the thought that the guy with the power to send them into harm's way doesn't have the time of day for them. I once had the honor to meet Tommy Franks and shake his hand -- and what did the four star that ruled the Middle East say to me? "Thank you." Now that's leadership -- I would've followed him anywhere from that moment on.

Obama had a chance -- a great opportunity to at least try to look like he supported the military. But he completely blew it. Don't think military people didn't notice.

Good gosh, they showed him on the news surrounded by troops on this trip who as I stated before looked pretty damn fond of him. The workout claim is false and it's childish and dishonest of you to try and push that and influence people deceptively with it. Look at the fact check link that has been posted. You guys try to wrap yourselves in the blanket of truth and honor, but I see a lot of lies and manipulation from my view.

Did you see the fact check link that was posted refuting your deceptive insinuations?

You said:

"If there's one thing that military members despise, it's the thought that the guy with the power to send them into harm's way doesn't have the time of day for them. "

What about the guy who send them into combat for two, three, and four, tours of duty and then votes against VA funding to help them if and when they come back. You think they look fondly on that guy who votes to deny them benefits?

I will for the life of me never understand how military folks have so much respect for Five Deferment, I had better things to do Cheney and National Guard golfing Bush and deride the politicians who want to make things better for them.

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As for Obama and the troops, let's see the pics. That was the point I was making. He made no effort whatsoever to pay any sort of respect to the troops, etc. It may not be a big deal to you, but it is to them. They're putting a lot on the line, and it'd be nice to think their prospective commander in chief views them as something other than peasants.

"Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. Hagel said afterward, on CBS' "Face the Nation" July 27: "We saw troops everywhere we went on the congressional delegation. We went out of our way to see those troops."

In reference to your claim of "he made no effort whatsoever to pay any respect to the troops.

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Thanks for the fact check, civetcat. It underscores my point about Obama perfectly. The guy wants us to believe that we should elect him because his superior judgment overrides his absence of depth and experience. We're supposed to trust the guy with the world's most powerful military, the world's largest economy, and to deal with the likes of Iran.

And yet he didn't know that visiting Landstuhl might be viewed as a campaign event? Come on! How stupid does he think we are? That's on par with his ridiculous line in Berlin about not speaking as a candidate for president but as a citizen of the world. He didn't realize that something he does might be considered a campaign event? Either he's utterly stupid, or he thinks we are. Maybe both. Everything he does, to include what he wears and the length of his hair, is scrutinized for how it will be perceived in the public. It's insulting to see his campaign try to make us believe they were surprised to learn it might be perceived as political.

It's not even consistent with his own story. He claims that he visited troops without cameras before. If so, why not Landstuhl?

I guarantee you that a whole lot of prep work went into the Landstuhl visit. And I'm not just talking about the Obama campaign -- I'm talking about the military people who went through an unbelievable scramble to get ready, only to have him pull the plug at the last minute.

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SoCo, in regards to Hegel's comments, there's a difference between going to see the bears at the zoo verses visiting them. I've got photos of Laura Bush having dinner with soldiers and Airmen in the chow hall at Bagram Airfield. When most politicians travel in the AOR, they talk to the troops, shake hands with them, etc. That's way different than going to look at them, or visiting a base and seeing them in the distance.

Again -- where is the evidence that Obama made any effort to do that? His campaign saying he did doesn't cut it. Campaigns are very careful about what they present and Obama's campaign has made great efforts to focus speeches and photo ops to try to counter criticism. So he lack of any imagery in the press on this point is telling, in my opinion.

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expatriate wrote:
Thanks for the fact check, civetcat. It underscores my point about Obama perfectly. The guy wants us to believe that we should elect him because his superior judgment overrides his absence of depth and experience. We're supposed to trust the guy with the world's most powerful military, the world's largest economy, and to deal with the likes of Iran.

And yet he didn't know that visiting Landstuhl might be viewed as a campaign event? Come on! How stupid does he think we are? That's on par with his ridiculous line in Berlin about not speaking as a candidate for president but as a citizen of the world. He didn't realize that something he does might be considered a campaign event? Either he's utterly stupid, or he thinks we are. Maybe both. Everything he does, to include what he wears and the length of his hair, is scrutinized for how it will be perceived in the public. It's insulting to see his campaign try to make us believe they were surprised to learn it might be perceived as political.

It's not even consistent with his own story. He claims that he visited troops without cameras before. If so, why not Landstuhl?

I guarantee you that a whole lot of prep work went into the Landstuhl visit. And I'm not just talking about the Obama campaign -- I'm talking about the military people who went through an unbelievable scramble to get ready, only to have him pull the plug at the last minute.

Dude, you are reaching and reaching hard if you are trying to equate one visit whether bad judgement or not with being the President. That's just empty void of any reason or logic.

Wow! You are really afraid he is going to win. Don't worry man the world isn't going to end. You will have to endure four or eight years of a man being in charge you don't like. I can empathize as I have endured it for the last eight years. Again, you will be OK, the world isn't going to end.

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expat I kind of think it's a dead issue. Follow all the references, and bear in mind I first heard of factcheck when Dick Cheney (you know shoot your hunting buddy in the face guy) brought it up in the VP debates in 04. Since then I take a look often. They don't always respond until they take a good look at things, but when they do you can usually bank it.

It was just a typical political distortion. A lot more mild than what was done to McCain by these same guys back in 2000. What I can't believe is that he's using the same people after what was done to him. It is pretty low.

Usually Obama doesn't allow any press when he visits wounded troops but the military does have cameramen recording. It's all there if you care to look.

The senate trip ended in Jordan, and the political one began then. (That's when Hagel and the other guy left so as not to take part in a Democratic Campaign and that's when the total bill came out of the Obama coffers)Obama never intended to take cameras. The pentagon neglected to tell him not to come until 2 days before and recognising a set up Obama put the cabash to the whole thing then. He chose the lesser of two evils. It was obviously a pre prepared set up. Damed if you do, dambed if you don't.

I think the Euro trip has rattled McCains folks and they decided to go negative in an attempt to shake things up.

I used to really like McCain. I was on his mailing list until late in 2000. I'm fairly suprised. BTW I Switched parties in 02.

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The following is from William Bradley and entitled,13 Things To Know About The 3rd Straight Mak Attack Ad.

"Okay, another day, another John McCain attack ad on Barack Obama. This one came in over the weekend. It's the third straight, as the McCain campaign is increasingly abandoning positive advertising in favor of negative ads on the frontrunner. Though the positive ad I wrote about on July 10th is still in rotation, at least for now.

The latest Mac attack ad plays above. And here is the text:

Announcer: Barack Obama never held a single Senate hearing on Afghanistan.
He hadn't been to Iraq in years.
He voted against funding our troops.
And now, he made time to go to the gym, but cancelled a visit with wounded troops.
Seems the Pentagon wouldn't allow him to bring cameras.
John McCain is always there for our troops.
McCain. Country first.
John McCain: I'm John McCain and I approve this message.

Here are 13 things to know about this ad.

1. Campaigns go very negative like this when they are very worried. John McCain's campaign has now put out out three straight negative TV ads in a row, attacking Barack Obama. And the McCain message in the free media is virtually all negative.

2. The reason the McCain campaign is so worried is that the Olympics start in less than two weeks. At the height of summer, most experts think that whomever has a steady lead going in will have a steady lead coming out. The next big event after the Olympics? The Democratic National Convention. At which Obama will accept the presidential nomination in a speech at Denver's football stadium before 80,000 screaming supporters.

3. This TV ad is media bait. There is no serious buy behind it. I've gone through this before with McCain's new campaign director, Steve Schmidt, when he was Arnold Schwarzenegger's campaign manager in 2006. The Schwarzenegger campaign rolled out a couple of TV ads early on, which I pointed out then were running in San Diego at midnight. In this case, think Denver, Harrisburg, and, naturally, Washington. The purpose of this ad is to further press commentary to continue a storyline. A major caveat. This does not mean that there is not a serious ad, and a serious new ad buy, coming.

4. In keeping with what I just wrote, this ad is the highest-rated YouTube video for McCain of the general election campaign. What that means is that the ad is being pushed out to create a frenzy amongst the conservative Republican base, whipped up by the right-wing talk show circuit and blogosphere. I think more people have seen it on YouTube than have seen it on their TV sets.

5. Obama is chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Europe. Afghanistan, as it happens, is not in Europe. Afghanistan is covered by an entirely separate subcommittee. Thus the attack on Obama for failing to hold a hearing on Afghanistan is non-serious. This does not mean that he should not have done so, as an eager beaver presidential candidate. Surely, McCain would have been opportunistic enough to do so.

6. ... But it turns out that McCain has missed every hearing for the past two years of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Afghanistan. McCain is the ranking Republican member of this very powerful committee. It's only in the last week that McCain has endorsed Joe Biden's -- and Obama's -- plan to send more US brigades to Afghanistan.

7. It's true that Obama hadn't been to Iraq for two years. McCain has been there a lot. There was the time last year when he toured a Baghdad market, declaring everything to be copacetic. As it should have been, with him wearing a bullet-proof vest, accompanied by a company of paratroopers and a flight of helicopter gunships. As most shoppers undoubtedly were.

8. Obama voted for troop funding on all but one occasion. When he decided to try to force the Bush administration to set a timeline for US troop withdrawal.

9. Obama's visit to the US military hospital in Germany was never, despite the statement in this ad, on his media schedule. He actually visited the US military hospital in Baghdad a few days earlier, sans media. The former head of the military hospital in Germany has denounced the ad, noting that Obama visited the military hospital in Baghdad with no fanfare whasoever.

10. Obama pulled out of the German military hospital visit when the Pentagon informed his military advisor on the trip, retired Air Force General Scott Gration, that only Senate staff could accompany him. This happened after all the Senate staffers along for the Congressional delegation visit to the Middle East had been sent home. Which meant that General Gration, a highly decorated Air Force veteran who is not a member of Obama's Senate staff, was effectively disinvited from visiting the military hospital at the well-known Air Force base at Ramstein.

11. While the TV ad says that McCain is always there for the troops, he actually opposed the new GI Bill authored by Obama ally Jim Webb, the former Navy Secretary-turned-Virginia Senator. Webb, as it happens, is an old friend of McCain, who has called him "a legendary fighting man," as befits the most highly decorated Marine combat officer of the Vietnam War. McCain lost badly in the Senate on Webb's new GI bill, but he and President Bush later tried to take some credit for its passage.

12. And with regard to always being there for the troops, it is interesting to note that McCain actually voted against $360 million for armored tactical wheeled vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan. And that McCain just held a big ticket fundraiser at the home of one of the country's largest defense contractors, Ronald Perelman, whose MacAndrews & Forbes holding company owns AM General, manufacturer of the HumVee. The HumVee became known in the Iraq War as a "Purple Heart box."

13. The footage in the McCain attack ad which accompanies the text about Obama spending time at the gym rather than visiting wounded troops is not actually of Obama working out in Berlin.

Actually, it is, as you see above, footage of Obama visiting with the troops in Kuwait. Hitting a 3-point jump shot on the first try, to the screams of the enthusiastic American soldiers.

Oh, what a tangled web ... And all that stuff."

Link to the footage of the 'workout' in question where Obama shoots 3 Pointer while the 'troops' cheer him on in Kuwait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bimTBZPYvWM

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
JTapia wrote:
Whelland wrote:
SoCo,

I should have known better than to expect a line item response refuting the facts. You have yet to do so from several posts.

Whelland, you won't get an answer from any of the poor, abused liberals of the world. They have nothing to back up anything because there has been no positive action by this candidate to post.
Your typical responses are " what Bush has did or not did" or "what McCain has did or not did". And then there is the ole stand by favorite quote from a liberal asked to put up an Obama achievement, " Bush lied and I hate him". Brick Wall,)

You sound like the poor abused whiner. Grow up.

All grown up here, now post something about Obama's voting record that's positive or anything else positive that would make a case for an undecided voter to vote for him. Can't do it can you?

All I have ever seen from you when questioned about your candidate or to show point of debate is silly tirades and condescending remarks toward others. You have failed to post a SINGLE positive fact about your candidates Voting record or stand on any of the issues in any thread on this forum, instead you simply point out what Bush, McCain or anyother Republican has did wrong or didn't do. You do your Liberal partisans a horrible disservice with your child-like outburst. In short you are a joke.

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