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Whelland wrote:
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I should have known better than to expect a line item response refuting the facts. You have yet to do so from several posts.

The facts still remain facts. Even if you don't like the way it was put out. Along with the quote from a democrat and a piece written by a liberal from the liberal media, that didn't like it either. I'm not real suprised there.

I will be doing more research regarding Barack Obama's voting record, positions past and present, previous quotes compared to what he is saying now, and refuting them with facts along with a full analysis.

No matter what rhetoical spin or twist you decide to put on them, they are still facts.

Your info comes from repub sources and pundits and you will just be repeating questionable info from sources like hannity, rush, savage, coulter, and others. But hey, knock yourself out on that valuable research with 'full' analysis.

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SoCo,

While I certainly don't disagree that the surge should have taken place before it did, it's easy to look at it now in hindsight and say, "shoulda, woulda, coulda."

As far as feeling sorry for those poor, innocent people that were trying to kill our soldiers........not gonna happen. You're putting a spin on it like we went in to wipe them all out and didn't care who we killed. Furthermore, if I was subjected to a tyrannical government, and someone came in to overthrow it, I would certainly be grateful. Then again, with our 2nd ammendment right, it's something we don't have to worry about yet.

Obama did put a nice little spin on the whole thing with his special, rhetorical touch, but I'm not buying what he's shoveling. The fact still remains that he voted against the surge and fails to state the obvious.

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Whelland wrote:
As far as feeling sorry for those poor, innocent people that were trying to kill our soldiers........not gonna happen. You're putting a spin on it like we went in to wipe them all out and didn't care who we killed. Furthermore, if I was subjected to a tyrannical government, and someone came in to overthrow it, I would certainly be grateful. Then again, with our 2nd ammendment right, it's something we don't have to worry about yet.
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It's not about feeling sorry for someone, although I do feel sorry for the woman and children and always will and don't care what I'm labeled for that.

It's really about logic and common sense. If those people really had the same values you do and should be grateful about their Tyrannical Gov. being overthrown, then why weren't we greeted with flowers as liberators and why have we been fighting an insurgency for the last seven years?

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Whelland, my conservative pal here is a little list from some 'research' I've done. Please refute each bullet point as you have asked me to do with your list. Hurry, we'll see who gets done first.

"May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the VA for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

March 2004: Again McCain voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans' medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes.

October 2003: McCain voted to table an amendment for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq.

April 2003: McCain urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.

August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000."

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

Whelland, my dear friend does this really seem like care for our troops?

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SoCo, all you've got is liberal pundit info, so stop with the garbage. Rovian tactics? What about Clintonian tactics of diversion and attack, rather than logical discourse?

As for Obama and the troops, let's see the pics. That was the point I was making. He made no effort whatsoever to pay any sort of respect to the troops, etc. It may not be a big deal to you, but it is to them. They're putting a lot on the line, and it'd be nice to think their prospective commander in chief views them as something other than peasants.

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expatriate wrote:
He made no effort whatsoever to pay any sort of respect to the troops, etc. It may not be a big deal to you, but it is to them. .

Dude, that's pure B.S.! Quit being dishonest.

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I think you missed one thing about Obama's visit overseas. He stated he was touring as a US Senator and not a candidate on the campaign trail. That in itself is a bunch of hogwash. I am really beginning to believe that the man does not have an agenda at all. He just really doesn't have a clue at all as to what he's doing.

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I think you missed one thing about Obama's visit overseas. He stated he was touring as a US Senator and not a candidate on the campaign trail. That in itself is a bunch of hogwash. I am really beginning to believe that the man does not have an agenda at all. He just really doesn't have a clue at all as to what he's doing.

Two questions: One do you have a link to show where he said he was only touring as a US Senator?

And two, He is a US Senator and he's campaigning for the Presidency so, how come he isn't allowed to tour as both and has to signify one or the other?

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Whelland wrote:
SoCo,

I should have known better than to expect a line item response refuting the facts. You have yet to do so from several posts.

Whelland, you won't get an answer from any of the poor, abused liberals of the world. They have nothing to back up anything because there has been no positive action by this candidate to post.
Your typical responses are " what Bush has did or not did" or "what McCain has did or not did". And then there is the ole stand by favorite quote from a liberal asked to put up an Obama achievement, " Bush lied and I hate him". Brick Wall,)

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If it's BS, SoCo, prove me wrong -- show me pics of Obama shaking hands with any of the troops. Show him working a line for handshakes. Show me anything that says he made an effort. Heck, I've got pictures of Chuck Norris and other celebrities posing with people in the AOR. Surely a presumptive nominee for president would invest the time to grip and grin with the troops, if for no other reason than to try to dispel the notion that he looks down on the military.

In return, I'll talk about cancelling the trip to Landstuhl because he couldn't take the cameras with him. If he would've stuck to his itinerary and ditched the cameras, he might've earned some credibility. But he went to the gym instead. I work out every day, too, but I'll miss a day if I have to choose between my workout and something big. Remember, this is a guy that keeps bragging about how superior his judgment is. Commander in Chief is a big deal -- and there's not a senior leader in the military that would put personal interest ahead of a commitment he'd made to the troops. From a military leadership perspective, doing what he did (and how he did it) is spectacularly bad judgment.

If there's one thing that military members despise, it's the thought that the guy with the power to send them into harm's way doesn't have the time of day for them. I once had the honor to meet Tommy Franks and shake his hand -- and what did the four star that ruled the Middle East say to me? "Thank you." Now that's leadership -- I would've followed him anywhere from that moment on.

Obama had a chance -- a great opportunity to at least try to look like he supported the military. But he completely blew it. Don't think military people didn't notice.

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