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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

FYI:

Nosler says that beginning with the 30 caliber 180-gr. Ballistic Tips (and larger), the jacket's profile is changed or upgraded to a much stronger contour similar to the AccuBond (shown below). The lead core is also hardened over the 165-gr. and below bullets.

Lighter weight bullets like 165-gr. 30 caliber and lower (shown below) do not have the thicker contour which starts in the middle of the shell and goes down to the base.

In summary, one might suggest that the 180-gr. Ballistic Tip is simply a non-bonded AccuBond.

Caution:

* Standard bullets generally perform better on deer in lighter to mid-weight sizes.

* Ballistic Tipped rounds are the exception to the rule as outlined in the opening post. Reported problems of a BT blowing up too quickly are generally associated with too light of a bullet.

Steve

P.S.

I like a bullet to perform two things in my 30-06:

1. Violent expansion / shock.
2. Plenty of penetration for a pass-through.

Nosler makes 4 great rounds to accomplish any North American task - listed in order of toughness:

1. Ballistic Tip
2. Solid Base
3. AccuBond
4. Partition

* Light skinned / boned deer: 180-gr. Ballistic Tip / Solid Base / AccuBond
* Heavy skinned / boned elk: 180-gr. Partition / AccuBond

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

Well, that was fun. What's next?

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Ballistic Tip performance

In 1998, when I joined the RMEF as a lifetime member, I won a Tikka rifle chambered in .338. The single most devastating bullet that I have ever shot out of that rifle is a 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. I have shot several factory loads, most of them in the 225 grain range. I am a bowhunter and not much of a rifle hunter, so this information comes from someone totally impartial. I have shot seven (7) deer with that .338 and all shot were simply devastating, except one. The best performance was on a 200 lbs. doe that I shot broadside at 150 yards. It blew a hole in here-exit and entry- that was large enough to stick a pop can in. The only time that I have not had incredible expansion with a Ballistic Tip was last year on a buck that field dressed 275 lbs. I shot him at 60 yards and the bullet never expanded. He only went 40 yards and dropped, but that is the only "wierd" experience that I've had with a Ballistic Tip. Like I said, I'm not a rifleman, but I've only had one deer shot with a Ballistic Tip that did not drop in its tracks. There's my two cents.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

Yeah, I have heard of the same thing. Only with a 7mm rem mag and ballistic tips, a 70 yard shot at a blacktail and the bullet went right on through and left a little spot of blood about the size of a dime, the deer ended up going about 350 yards and it took the guy 3 hours to find it. I think that this is pretty much a regular occurance with any high velocity cartridge shooting ballistic tips at something under 100 yards. Alot of the ballistic tips out there are designed to preform the best when the shots are 100 yards or more.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

I may not have the exp. in 200 yrd shots, but I do have in BTs. I hunt with 30-06 150 grn Bt, shot at 100 yrds hide, and muscle are enough to expand the shell,
less than 100 yrds you would want to hit bone. A 5 pnt at 25 yrds through the blinkers ( I know lucky brain shot). Didn't go anywheres but for the freezer, 3 pnt at 30 yrds through the neck made another 15 yrds before bleeding out. The difference between to two was the 5 pnt's entry hole was the size of a half dollar, although the exit hole was the size pencil, meaning that only a fragment of the shell made out.( Besides being a brain shot). On the 3 pnt missed the spine, hitting jugler, but the holes were the size of pencils. My point being at short distances there's to much energy.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

Shooting any elk with a 150 grain .30 caliber bullet is just plain irresponsible. The are not designed to penetrate deeply, as they need to, they are designed to expand rapidly, and for that reason, they are more favorable for deer, antelope, mountain goat, etc. Not elk. Higher velocity means precisely jack.

For elk, a 180 grain .30 cal is what you need. It is designed to give you controlled expansion, so it will penetrate the denser muscle and bone of a heavier animal. A 150 grain bullet from a 270 Winchester, 270 Weatherby Magnum or 270 WSM gives you about the same penetration, because the BC and SD of a 150 grain .277 cal bullet results in roughly the same overall performance as a .30 cal 180.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

when I shot a 30-06 i shot 140s and when now 150s with my 7 mag,I have killed several elk with bolth and the bullets performed very well,never had one that didnt penetrate or fail to expand. I know a few guys who also have taken several elk each with thier 7mags and none of them shoot anything more than a 160.I dont know where you got your info from but mine is first hand exsperience and a 150 is plenty for elk.I have seen a couple instances where those ballistic tips failed to perform well on game in the last couple years,everyone I know has quit using them and switched back to the partitions of the new accubonds.Nosler only recommends the heaviest bullet in each caliber for hunting and I noticed in a new reloading catalog they billed them as varmit bullets.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

A 160 grain 7mm bullet is pretty much just like a 180 grain .30 caliber bullet.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

I would go with a bonded tip 180gr

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