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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

Just out of curiosity:

Who has first-hand experience with harvesting elk or moose with Nosler's Ballistic Tip - and - how did the bullet perform?

Steve

P.S. My preference in 30-06 is 180-gr. High Energy Partitions at 2,890 fps or 180-gr. AccuBonds at 2,750 fps.

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only the heviest bullet in each caliber is recommended for hunting by Nosler,I saw a deer take 3 rounds in the shoulder at a close distance last year and they penetrated about 4inches and blew up,out of a 7mag.Go with a partition or accubond there will be no doubt about your bullets.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

The reason the 7mm came apart is the velocity/energy was way over what the bullet was designed for. If the range had been 200 to 400 yds. The result would have been meat in the freezer.

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I've never used a Ballistic Tip on game larger than antelope.
Your preferences of Partitions and Accubonds are excellent choices for Elk.
I used the 180 Partitions in an '06 for many years. The Accubonds are every bit as good with a higher retained energy.
The 180 Ballistic tips will work if you keep the muzzle velocity at 2700 fps and the maximum range within 250 yds.

One of the reasons for the development of the heavier jacketed bullets in the small and medium calibers is the velocity increases in the newer rounds that are being developed. If you build faster cartridges you need stronger bullets.
I really don't want to get into the physics of the concept but basically. Thinner jacketed bullets need less resistance to expand than thicker jacketed bullets.
example: There is an optimal high and low velocity for every bullet made. A thin jacketed bullet that mushrooms at a 2000 fps minimum is just as efficient as a thick jacketed bullet that expands at a 2500 fps minimum. Fps is directly related to fpe.
Bullets either come apart or don't expand if not used in the velocity range they were developed for. Any 180gr 30 cal. hunting bullet at 2700 fps is going to do a lot of damage. 2700fps just happens to be the average muzzle velocity of the 30-06. This is why the 30-06 is so capable, not to fast and not to slow but, just right. (Kinda sounds like goldilocks and the three bears)

When a bullet that is designed to expand at 2000fps minimum through 2900fps is fired from a cartridge that produces 3400fps it will not be efficient until the velocity level drops to the 2000fps plus range it was developed for. If the distance it takes for the bullet to decrease in velocity, to be at it's optimal velocity range, is further than the bullet can stay in flight. The bullet will not expand as intended. It will probably come apart.
If a bullet that is designed to expand at 2500 fps minimum goes below the recommended velocity range. It will not expand. Therefore, not perform as intended.

Choose your bullets wisely.

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Ballistic Tips on Elk?

Nobody's come forward to say they've used ballistic tips on elk or moose. Can't say I'm surprised. I've used them for deer and antelope, but I wouldn't even think about them for elk or moose.

Elk and moose are big animals that need a bullet that's going to penetrate into the vitals. The ballistic tip is not made for penetration, it's made for extreme expansion. This, it seems to me, is not the kind of bullet you want to use on elk or moose (wouldn't use 'em on bear, either).

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I reread my previous post this morning. I made the statement about using the BT at 2700fps and out to 250yds. It came out wrong.
What I was trying to say was. The 180gr BT on Elk, would be more efficient out of a 30-06 at longer ranges out to 250 yds. They were not designed for those arms length hunts. Sorry, I didn't explain that well enough.
When I get to buying bullets for my hunting loads I don't even look at the Ballistic tips. I don't know any one that does. I now of one kid that uses the Silver Tips but, he goes over to the eastern parts of the state. I prefer a bullet that will hold up to the energy produced between 10 and 200 yds out of the round I use.
Accubonds, Interbonds, Partitions, Barnes X, Grand Slam.
If I ever get back to hunting the wide open spaces. I'll have to reevaluate my loads.

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The only reason anyone considers them is because they are cheaper,also I have seen them blow up on game at distances much farther than 100 yards so the distance had no affect on the performance of the ballistic tips I have seen used on game,this is from first hand exsperience not your formulas and book data.

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I've seen Barnes X's fail. I've also seen Hornady 180gr round nose drop elk like they were hit with Thor's hammer. What does bullet failure prove?
Don't you ever come up for air?
The Ballistic tips were not designed to hold up to the amount of energy a 7mm puts out at the muzzle +.
I'd like to here from someone that has used the '06 and the 180gr BT's and drinks a little less coffee.

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The ballistic tips are designed for rappid controlled expansion on thin skinned and light muscled game animals such as your deer and antelope. For game with heavier hides and large muscle mass such as your moose and elk, you need a deep penetrating bullet that offers delayed controlled expansion.

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I've heard another theory on rapid expansion bullets.
If you can get them into the boiler room and they fragment inside. They can cause severe trauma and destroy more vital tissue.
I prefer punching a whole through the vitals and out the opposing side.

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Ive never seen a Nosler Partition fail at any distance on any animal,exsperience in the field is always better data than what you read in your reloading journals and hunting mags,Ill take first hand over your second hand data any day!As far as your coffee cut down,its Dr Pepper not coffee.

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A bullet can also fail to perform if it fails to mushroom. The velocity gets to low for the design. I believe that the BT big games, up to 30 cal, are designed to expand at velocities as low as 1700fps. About 1200 fpe for a 180gr. They were designed for long range hunting for optimal expansion. What ever they consider long range and are not recommended on large game (over 400 lbs). This is in the big game version, up to the 30 cal's.

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