Pro or anti-baiting? Someone said it's like luring a person to a cupcake and then..... Please give us your opinion!
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Sat, 2010-12-04 19:47
Baiting compared to CUPCAKES! Need your opinion.
Sun, 2010-12-05 22:09#1
Not Everybody Likes Cupcakes
As asked it's a pretty broad question. Few hunters bat an eye over baiting black bears into a bucket of bacon fat & stale donuts but many waffle (admittedly self included) at popping a whitetail snacking on a pile of corn. No flags thrown when shooting geese in a harvested grain field but let a Game Warden spy you tossing a bag or two of corn ears out in the duck decoys and you got some explaining to do. Your property is "unimproved" but your neighbor put in a couple of small food plots filled with the latest & greatest high protein high yield completely non-native seed blend. It's standard operating procedure to park your butt in a blind next to a waterhole waiting to puncture a thirsty antelope with an arrow but only an incompetent boob would do the same with a .270 WSM.
I'm of the opinion that as long as the animal has a better than fair chance of avoiding your particular brand of baiting - whether by using alternate sources, visiting after the sun has set, etc. - and as long you don't feel guilty (this assumes your not a sociopath) and there's at least some effort beyond just dumping a pile of goodies out the back of a truck, then good luck & good hunting. I may not care to join you or do the same but thats my problem, not yours.
Welcome to the site!
Oh yeah, what flavor of cupcake?
Mon, 2010-12-06 09:27#2
Well, I don't know. I won't
Well, I don't know. I won't make any friends in some circles, but I do think in certain cases, it is. Mainly bear hunting over bait. You could have some guys LITERALLY using cupcakes. Some of the most common things to use are day old pastries, bagels, etc.
I feel that you should hunt animals in a "natural" setting, not behind fences or over bait. I am not knocking the guys who do it, as long as it's legal, it's their right, but I personally won't do it. I have been 8 years without a deer now, and I could throw out a corn pile, or salt licks, and try to lure one in, but I don't.
I am not totally at fault, cause I have used scent lures before, so I guess that's not totally natural, but at least it's doe urine or something you would find naturally occurring, not pastries.....
Tue, 2010-12-07 18:05#3
Mostly anti-baiting here. I
Mostly anti-baiting here. I have seen many negative effects of baiting/artificial feeding on wildlife populations. It starts with bird feeders; most people don't bother to clean their birdfeeders periodically and every once in a while, when I was a wildlife manager, someone would call me to come look at some dead birds around their birdfeeders. If there is disease present, artificial feeding brings animals in an abnormally-close feeding situation. This makes it much easier and much more likely to spread disease. In deer, it can lead to tuberculosis, chronic wasting disease and who knows what else. People feed bread to ducks and geese at city parks - these birds have a hard time processing the types of proteins in bread and can develop 'angel wing', a condition where the muscle tissue outgrows the bone tissue and causes deformed, useless wings that stick out at funny angles.
From a hunting standpoint (especially for deer), baiting and artificial can lead to unnatural movement patterns and artificially high densities along with habitat degradation due to the increase in damage these artificially high densities impart on localized plant communities.
I also think there is a big difference between hunting over a corn field and hunting by and apple tree (for example) or food plot and hunting over bait/artificial feeding stations; the former are more or less natural parts of the landscape put their for purposes other than hunting over them. My .02
Tue, 2010-12-07 19:30#4
Biggest problem - the Hunters!
In my opinion - that's what you asked for, I believe - the biggest problem with baiting is what it does to hunters.
For many years, we didn't have baiting here in Michigan and hunters relied on doing some scouting to find out where the deer/bear would be moving and when. They would either sit by a tree or make a brush blind of some sort and wait to ambush the critters. That's not very intense "hunting", but at least we were learning something about the animals and their habits.
There were always some hunters who were fair to good at slipping quietly through likely places and walking up on animals. They were much better hunters than guys like me who were primarily "shooters".
Then the baiting started - and with it came "The Baiting Wars".
People who owned private property hauled carrots, corn, apples and sugar beets in by the dump truck load.
Then their neighbors had to haul in more and more to get the deer to come over to their property.
On public land, hunters would put out bait piles - maybe a couple of buckets of apples or bags of carrots - and then guard that site like they owned it. Anyone coming close to "their spot" was challenged to get away.
Basically, ordinarily good folks became slobs who relied solely on the power of baiting to get an animal rather than learning any hunting or woodsmanship skills.
We have a baiting ban in Michigan's Lower Peninsula now because of a CWD scare, but there is still a TON of it going on. Probably because so many people don't know any other way of hunting.
I'm against it!
Wed, 2010-12-08 11:55#5
I can understand the fear of
I can understand the fear of spreading disease, but I don't buy the argument about hunting in a natural setting, that is unless the person espousing the argument is true to it in all cases.
Consider that hunters put out duck and geese decoys routinely to attract the birds to an area or elevation that they normally would not fly. The decoys are unnatural and do not occur in nature. If you say they represent wild birds and therefore are natural then bait represents naturally occurring food sources.
Also, I know areas that do not normally hold enough water to attract fowl, but are flooded to attract them. Is this any better or different than baiting?