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Bagging A Trophy; Luck, Skill, or Both?

That is a good point ChesterGolf, thought it was kind of odd that somebody would yell "buck". :smile:

As for ninnies, I'm positive that I've had elk laugh at my fumblings in the field....

Welcome aboard Billdoe.

Keepitsimple, you raise a good point that unless you have access to land that is known to produce big bucks/bulls the chance for a state/world record is slim to none. In this sense, we are all not on equal footing.

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OK, how's this for luck:

I'm about to take my son out for his first deer hunt. I'd bought an SKS some time ago thinking it might come in handy as the boys got older. Hunting in the woods down here seemed to fit the bill. Unfortunately, for the life of the gun I'd had occasional feed problems, and the last time I took it out it kept misfiring the first round in the magazine. I'd done some internal filework on the thing in the past, and really went after it with solvent this time, thinking I might've missed some tiny bit of cosmoline somewhere.

But when the rubber met the road this week as the hunt approached, I chickened out. For reasons described above, I didn't want to take the chance of my son having a misfire, 'cause then I'd have to carry a bar of soap into the woods with me.

So this week I wound up buying a Remington 700 in .243 and putting a scope on it. Took it out yesterday to sight it in, and my son is overjoyed. But curiosity got the better of me and I took the SKS along too. That thing fired round after round without a single hiccup -- first time in four years. I couldn't make it fail.

So as of this week, hunting is a poor man's sport in my house. If luck like this is hereditary, I can only cringe at the thought of what might happen with my son and I hunting together.

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Luck is in the eyes of the beholder. I'm sure your boy feels quite lucky, since now he has two rifles to choose from, courtsey of Dad.

Better watch out when you hear: "Dad, their both misfiring, I think I need a bow." Wink

Good luck to your boy.

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He's way ahead of you, Bit. He's been wanting a bow for some time now, but that's whole new territory for me. Aside from that, there's only so much draw weight a 12 year old can handle. After getting his hands on that .243, though, I haven't heard as much from him about the bow.

I gotta admit, though, that when it comes to luck, having five boys makes it easier to justify gun purchases to the wife. :smile:

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I have only been hunting in Pennsylvania for 26 years. (With 3 million other hunters!) Last Fall there were tons of accorns and a mild Winter. Where I hunt near Emporium, I saw less bucks this year than ever before. However, even with plenty of hunting pressure out there; 90% of all bucks killed each year; with scent blockers; extended seasons and extra bonus tags, bigger bucks are still are taken each year. I saw no larger bucks this year during spring gobbler season, this summer and small game season. And yet I bagged an eight pointer at lunch time! WHY? I wasnt even going to hunt because of the antler restrictions! Maybe I knew the pattern of other bucks I have seen over the years? Maybe it was the deer piss on my boats? Maybe luck? I think SOMEONE up stairs helped me out. A special thanks to my late grandfather. My eight pointer was from him !

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I definitely believe that luck plays a big part in every hunting situation. My dad always said "you just gotta be in the right place at the right time or you aint gonna see any deer". I found this to be especially true this year. On 12/02/02 I finally got a crack at a buck that looked like the ones you see on TV. I'd hunted the same southern Ohio property for 7 years and have only gotten 4 does and two small 6 pointers. All that changed due to LUCK! Dec.2nd was the start of Ohio's week long gun season and my day started off bad. On my way to the stand I found another hunter sitting just feet away from "The Spot". Not knowing what to do, I decided to walk until I found another spot that looked promising. As I began to walk I found a good spot on the hillside where I could see for several hundred yards. I decided to sit tight and within 1 hour I had a mid 140's class buck run to within 10 yards of my in-line muzzleloader.If luck wasn't on my side I dont know what was. I guess next year I should try find to the hunter in my "spot" and thank him for making me lucky.

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I gotta admit, though, that when it comes to luck, having five boys makes it easier to justify gun purchases to the wife.

Well my respect for you and your wife just went up 3 notches on a 2 notch scale. If you guys can survive that mentally and economically (i.e food bills), you both will have become wise beyond your years. Wink

I have one sibling, a brother, and to hear my parents tell the story, we were terrors, and there is some truth to it. I can only imagine the sheer pandemonium at times if there had been not 1 but 3 other clones of us running around.

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Maybe it was the deer piss on my boats?

I definitely think it was the piss. Only question is, was the piss their by luck or was it placed with skill?

Welcome aboard Cameron County Slayer!

That's a good example Kdill of how much luck can play a roll. Better give that guy who took your spot a beer next year. Wink

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Again, using the Deer piss helps.

But, you still need to have INFORMATION. Whether you are marrying the woman or your dreams, buying a new car, or going to war, you need reliable information.

In the case of hunting, are there any signs, rubs, where will the deer be, and when.

My secret, besides the deer piss of course, and information, has always been "hunting the edge". I always try to find a good spot near the edge of the woods or corner of a field and wait. Sooner or later, I am bound to see something!

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What is a trophy? Where I hunt it takes skill to consistently kill mature bucks. It takes luck to kill a mature buck with a freakishly large rack.
Kyle

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