Just got back from Dakel Hog hunts in Annapolis, MO. I have to be honest and say it was my second time there. The first time myself and two otherS went and we had a good time. The camping part was great and after three days of hunting I did see a small group of hogs come out about 9pm to a feeder in the woods. Well this got me all excited so I decided to bring an even bigger group back this time. After months of talking about it, and excitement the 6 of us arrived. Kelly, the co-owner of the ranch, greeted us, took our money, and left for the river all within 5 minutes of us being there. Now, the good part is your free to go anywhere you want and do anything. The bad part is the hunting. what little tracks we did see on the 96 acres was weeks old and we scouted the whole area. We brought with us $400 dollars worth of slop and bait, since Kelly and Dave lie to you on their website about using 800 pounds of sweet corn to bait. In truth there are 6 baiting stations on the property, each one had a hand full of corn that she probably put out right before we got there. We hunted for 3 days straight from 7pm-3am, then from 5am-8am and didn't see one thing the 3 nights we were there. By the time we were done, the bait piles had not been touched, even with our added baits (corn, beer, syrup, jello, kool-aid, molasses all mixed together in buckets and left out in the sun for a week) Perhaps the worse part of all of it was how the property looked. Everything was overgrown and getting to your stands was a choir. A big difference between the first and second times we were there. When I got back home I wrote Kelly a nice email just giving her some suggestions on putting in a toilet for her customers, baiting the property better for the hogs, and keeping up with the growing weeds and fields. It wasn't mean, I told her we wanted to come back if the hunting gets better, I do realize this is a free range hunt. Well that's when I heard from the husband, Dave. Probably one of the meanest emails I've gotten in a long time. He accused our party of dumping trash everywhere, which we did not do, then he goes on to say he has no interest in putting a bathroom in and that there is hog sign and tracks everywhere we just weren't looking. There was no thank you for your business and I'll take these suggestions into consideration. He was upset that a customer would even consider giving him suggestions in the first place. When I forwarded the email to the hunting party they were shocked, and told me they would never go back. We can't support a company that bullshits to their customers as much as these people do. I won't write him back I'll just leave it be, but one thing is for sure I will send him a picture of the hog I get next year at another company and he can put it on his board. Lousy customer service, lousy people, lousy hunting. If you want to take the kids primitive tent camping for the weekend they will gladly take your money. Don't worry about the hogs around your kids, there aren't any.
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Tue, 2013-06-04 11:44
Bad Hog hunting in MO
Sun, 2013-06-09 09:38#1
I don't know how many times
I don't know how many times I've seen someone like this come on a website and make a first post dissing on a hunt they went on,but this one takes the cake! IMHO anyone, let alone 6 people, going on a free range hunt, or any other type of hunt, on a piece of property that small is asking for whatever they got and is throwing their money away. I would suggest you learn what hunting is all about, especially for a hog hunt on a small place like that. Going there the first time for 3 days and seeing one little bunch of hogs should have clued you in on what you were in for! Complaining about not having a toilet when you're out hunting is a real hoot, LOL!
Sun, 2013-06-09 09:48#2
Any bets that we never see Mr
Any bets that we never see Mr Yeagerbombs again after this his first post? It also looks like he didn't do his homework. That first trip should of been a clue as to what to expect, a small group of hogs in 3 days of hunting isn't my idea of a good spot.
It's also funny that he expects a toilet, perhaps he could also ask for a bidet .
Sun, 2013-06-09 10:21#3
No bet on my part here
No bet on my part here Critter! I went into the website of that place and nowhere do they even tell you the size of the property. That should give a big clue right there that something is up! Most of the website is just the same BS about needing to hunt at night because hogs are pretty nocturnal, etc. They also claim to put out 800 pounds of bait per week, which should clue a person in that's been there before that things are not what they say. They do say there are no toilet facilities on the property, so at least they are truthful in that respect, LOL! That's about the only thing that appears to be accurate though.
Sun, 2013-06-09 16:50#4
And folks wonder why this place is dead?
New member, probably a new hunter too, and instead of encouragement and coaching we rip him to shreds.
I've been guilty of it too at times but I do think we should think twice before posting. I've thought about what I typed thrice. I'm satisfied with it.
Sun, 2013-06-09 18:01#5
Sorry, but I'll also stick
Sorry, but I'll also stick with I posted! We know nothing about this person and to have him try to ruin a business on the first post on this, or any other website, is not right IMHO. He also is not a new hunter as it appears you didn't read his entire writeup carefully. He also posted five days ago, hasn't been back since then, and I'd bet a dollar to a donut we won't hear another word out of him. He has probably done the same thing on other sites just to get back at a place he says he had a bad experience at. He made his own bed when he went to that place with five other people knowing it's less than 100 acres and he'd already had what I would call a marginal experience at best the first time he was there. Then to come on here and complain like he did, including that the place doesn't have a toilet when it states that right on the website in big print, is way off base IMHO! First impressions are a big deal and his was not good in my eyes doing what he did. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it!
Sun, 2013-06-09 18:04#6
Topgun 30-06 wrote:Sorry, but I'll also stick with I posted! We know nothing about this person and to have him try to ruin a business on the first post on this, or any other website, is not right IMHO. He also is not a new hunter as it appears you didn't read his entire writeup carefully. He also posted five days ago, hasn't been back since then, and I'd bet a dollar to a donut we won't hear another word out of him. He has probably done the same thing on other sites just to get back at a place he says he had a bad experience at. He made his own bed when he went to that place with five other people knowing it's less than 100 acres and he'd already had what I would call a marginal experience at best the first time he was there. Then to come on here and complain like he did, including that the place doesn't have a toilet when it states that right on the website in big print, is way off base IMHO! First impressions are a big deal and his was not good in my eyes doing what he did IMHO!
We will have to agree to disagree then.
I saw what I perceived as relative newness and eagerness for a good time as enthusiasm. While he might have couched his words with more caution it appears to me that he attempted to make the best of a situation not of his choosing and was willing to give the proprietor a second opportunity. I will seldom do even that.
Maybe he should've done his homework better but we all aren't Rhoades Scholars. That's part of that live and learn thing that's known as life.
A kind word and gentle suggestion first, Then command, then minimum use of any and all lawful force is my motto. I just thought a kind word would've worked best here.
Mon, 2013-06-10 12:19#7
Bad Hog Hunting in MO
Generally speaking, the number of hunters in the US has been in decline. The way to correct that is to encourage new hunters. That means there's going to be some noobs doing things that experienced folks may consider downright foolish. But I guarantee that there's not a hunter out there who didn't start out green at some point.
I've seen it over and over again...from the guy a the range with the National Match M-1 and Swarovski spotting scope thinking he owns the place and berating the mere mortals around him to the guy who looks down his nose and sneers at the guy in the woods who smells like fabric softener. I've seen too many elitists out there who are absolutely brutal on newcomers to the sport, and IMO it doesn't help. It takes some patience, but we've got to be patient and mentor people to grow the sport. We won't gain hunters by chasing off the newcomers.
Just my two cents.
Mon, 2013-06-10 17:37#8
This guy was not a new hunter
This guy was not a new hunter according to what he posted. IMHO he came on here strictly to hurt a business with a first post because he didn't like his hunt. He stated he sent the owners an email telling them all kinds of ways for them to change their business to suit him, including putting in a toilet, LOL, and then got ticked when the owner sent him an email and told him where he could go with his suggestions. I'm in full agreement with helping others and do a lot of mentoring with kids and have taken disabled Vets on hunts. However, IMHO this type of post shouldn't even be allowed, especially on a first post, when we know nothing about the poster or business being dissed. Some sites I'm on won't even allow a post like that and they're usually always made by someone making their first post! I'll eat crow if the OP even comes back on here and makes another post anywhere on the site, as he hasn't been back since he made that post and probably won't be.
Mon, 2013-06-10 18:28#9
Well here's my .02. I can see
Well here's my .02. I can see both sides here as I agree the guy will probably never be back. But for sure not now after the responses. He may not post but bet he came to look. Over done for his first post? Absolutely. But if anyone remembers I posted a similar one about a hog outfit in Texas I had a bad experience with, after I had been a member here awhile. I thought I was warning others but got some of the same criticisms myself. I even posted about the animosity here. Strange thing to say as I consider this the most helpful and friendliest site I'm in. Too bad it's as slow as it is. My problem was that although I had vast hunting experience I had never left home base and got suckered. I was trusting in the kindred spirit of other hunters and learned the hard way it's all about money no matter the business. I do my research much better now.lol
Mon, 2013-06-10 19:49#10
hunter25---Was the hog hunt
hunter25---Was the hog hunt you went on the one that is all over the net advertising a free hog hunt if you email them and you're picked? Everyone says they got picked when they did that, so I sent the outfit an email and son of a gun if I wasn't notified that I was the lucky winner for that month, LOL! It's the one run by Paul Candelaria and his wife that has been shut down at least once by the Texas AG for fraud. Back to this particular post, I have a big problem when the guy also says in the post that the couple that owns the place lie on their website about putting out 800# of corn a week, so that's why his party brought all their own bait. If he was there before and knew there wasn't any toilet and the baiting was like he said, why take five other people there on this trip he's griping about? He complains the place is overgrown, but IMHO if it's only 90 acres it needs to be mostly that to hold any hogs. he says he likes camping and that was okay. That may be because he's more into that than hunting because his username just doesn't fit what I would call a real hunter. The reason I say that is that when I googled his username to see if he had posted on any other websites, the name he uses is an alcoholic mixed drink, hardly a name I would use as a hunter on a hunting website. Maybe I'm wrong, but my gut feeling is what I posted from 60 years of hunting and seeing the way people act.