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ATV's durning Hunting season

OK here is My “Rant and Rave”
I have spent a lot of time and effort on the “War Chiefs” elk hunt this year, Her first elk hunt. Drew the tag that was possible in unit 15, many scouting trips, lots of miles on the boots (even though I know a lot of the unit).
Opening morning: we arrived a jump off point 0430. Get the pack on check and recheck here rifle (see gets mad, I’m double checking everything). Start down the trail with headlights (Red light) for the 2 mile hike. Doing good arrive to the area before the coyotes sound off, still total darkness, I can hear the vehicle from the camp camps pulling off and going to their areas. We settle into a good location, adjust the shooting sticks, check the lanes and distances. Only miss the elk at this time, they should be there about 30-60 minutes after sun-up. Big Red starts coming up, I’m keeping my mouth shut by now. Coyotes sound off to meet the morning, crows start the calls.
In the distance I hear some ATV’s. No problem, this is a road less area the only road in blocked by a gate that is locked and talked with the rancher who has the key (old friend). I start hearing the ATV’s from a different direction; they are coming in behind us, Sounds like they are having a great time lots on noise.
They have moved into the valley we are waiting and decided to tear the hell out of a hidden bowl and the side of the hill, this just happen to be the area that the elk come though to their bedding area.
I make my way over the little know and walk down the finger and just stand there, one of them sees me and comes over, (I’m Pissed) then the other two start to follow, I ask the first guy what the hell he is doing back here tearing up the area, he say they were riding here last night and no one was here, so they thought it was a good place to ride. The other 2 ( 1 ATV & a 2 person cart) arrive, I explain to them that it’s elk season, they said they know it was they were up here with some buddies that where hunting. I told them that they are not allowed to just ride around and tear up the area they see fit; they must stay on the road and not tear up the place. The second guy starts bowing up and acting tough, he can ride any place he pleases and do whatever he wants, with the ending of “what are you going to do about it”. (I wanted to put a round though his engine) but I have to let those fillings pass. I told them I would report them to the Game Warden, and State Police). Mr. Mouth said something and ways with One Finger as they left. I would expect this from young kids but these where men in the mid 30’s.
I know all users of ATV’s are not like this, but they a lasting impression after that.
Moved to a back-up area and found more ATV tracks all over the place.
Does anyone hunt on foot any more, or is done from the back of an ATV?
Best Wishes for the Holidays
M. Bird
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It's not age

M.Bird;
I was going to respond to your reply on my post but thought I'd reply here first.
It's not a persons age but their values. At 57, I still have alot of kid in me, as I'm sure you do also. That's what keeps me young enough to keep hunting.
But I maintain a high set of values and ethics, like you when you kept your composure, and that keeps me feeling good about myself.
I'm just glad that your confrontation ended safely for everyone. Stupid things could have happened. I hope they got your message and cleared out of the area.
Wish you the best on your hunt!

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ATV's durning Hunting season

You have really hit my hot button! As an avid hunter and father of a 12 yr old, I do my best to follow the rules. I just returned from a great Bull Hunt in Arizona unit 8. In Arizona the laws say you cannot ride around and hunt from a vehicle until you see game. That law is essentially impossible to prosecute because the party cited will just claim they are on the way to some location but happened to see game. So road hunting is a fact of life. I accept that. I do get upset by the parade of OHV riders that leave the roads an go cross country doing the same. I am finding tracks everywhere these days. I've witnessed that most of these riders are not retrieving game, but simply wrecking the terrain and hunting with their blatant disregard for the land and other hunters. Laws are created because a few abuse what is not regulated.

I for one would not be upset if the whole category of what we call OHVs became banned on public land all together. I'm sure these comments will draw attacks from those responsible OHV riders, but it is the way I feel. Do the right thing. Get out and walk. I lost 11 lbs. in 6 days of hunting this past week (nice bonus before the holidays). If you want to ride these things, at least park them when you start hunting. I contend you might enjoy the experience more, find more game and keep the land unscarred for our kids to enjoy long after we are no longer hunting.

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ATV's durning Hunting season

Well you have a good one here, I never saw an elk come riding up on an ATV get off and start to bugle.

In New Mexico an atv is not allowed aff road in a national forest, or state land. Its just that simple, but I see where thay tear up the hill sides all over the place.

Now dont get me wrong , I have been on or around atv's sence back in the 70's, allthough I dont curently own one I probibly will agan. My wish is that riders would respect the forest for all of us.

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ATV's durning Hunting season
JSmitty wrote:
In New Mexico an atv is not allowed aff road in a national forest, or state land. Its just that simple, but I see where thay tear up the hill sides all over the place.

I think more states need to adopt that law.

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ATV's durning Hunting season

Just because there is the law that prohibits the action, does not mean that all people will abide by it. I wish they would (there I go again wishing).
Happy Holidays
M. Bird

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M.Bird wrote:
Just because there is the law that prohibits the action, does not mean that all people will abide by it. I wish they would (there I go again wishing).
Happy Holidays
M. Bird

Definitely not but at least there is something in place which can occasionally be enforced.

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ATV's durning Hunting season

The problem is getting it enforced at all but at least the laws are in place where somthing can be done if a law inforcement officer catches them in the act, and if you report someone thay will give them a talking to and that cuts down on the off road activity for a while.

Marry Christmas
JSmitty

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I agree with most of what has been said but I have a OHV and use it to get from one place to another just like you would a vehicle while hunting. I stay on the roads though and if I had made a 2 mile hike were there is no roads and somebody was in there and not on the road I would have reacted the same.

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ATV's durning Hunting season

I have decided to go back hunting the wilderness and primitive areas, it’s a lot more work but I don’t have t o worry about that many hunters showing up in the area that I have chosen. Most hunters will not get more than a mile from the road. Just have to go back to mules for the packing.
Best of luck
M. Bird

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ATV's durning Hunting season

I have had them wreck several hunts in Wilderness and FS/state land. I have gone on offensive. Had one race by me in dark IN Wilderness heading out to go hunting. Found it two miles in, no-one around. It would up disabled somehow and it was taken out by USFS personel. I have gone with friends on them to get into hunt areas and on ranches. But I stay as far from them as possible, elk and deer can hear them for miles.

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