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I can't tell you how many times I've been out hunting, only to hear the loud noise of someone running around on an ATV.  Oh yes, they had a rifle or bow slung across the front, but were they "really hunting"?  They make more noise and tear up more land than anything I know.

This may be controversial, but should ATV's be banned from entering hunting areas?

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What do you consider the

What do you consider the hunting area?  If they are running down existing legal roads then I have no problems with them, but if they are running cross country during hunting hours and it is not legal to do so then I do have a problem.  Also you need to check if you haven't already if it is legal for them to be where they are at.  A lot of BLM land is open to ATV's and just about all of the National Forest is off limits to them unless they are on a marked road or trail.  I had a hunter get all ticked off at me a few years ago when I was riding my ATV on a road.  For some reason he thought that I shouldn't be there during the elk hunt and told me that I had blown his stalk on an elk.  What I couldn't figure out is why he was hunting so close to a road and what would of happened if a truck would of come bouncing up the road. 

As far as tearing up the country side it all depends on how you ride it.  I have seen areas where the cattle on the range have torn up the stream banks and hill sides a lot more than a ATV has.  It is all in how you ride them and they have turned into the poor mans horse.  When you turn the key off you don't have to feed it anymore.  The big thing is for the rider to take responsibility for how and where they ride, it is no different than the guy in the big 4x4 and big tires seeing just how far they can go before they get stuck. 

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Critter wrote:

What do you consider the hunting area?  If they are running down existing legal roads then I have no problems with them, but if they are running cross country during hunting hours and it is not legal to do so then I do have a problem.  Also you need to check if you haven't already if it is legal for them to be where they are at.  A lot of BLM land is open to ATV's and just about all of the National Forest is off limits to them unless they are on a marked road or trail.  I had a hunter get all ticked off at me a few years ago when I was riding my ATV on a road.  For some reason he thought that I shouldn't be there during the elk hunt and told me that I had blown his stalk on an elk.  What I couldn't figure out is why he was hunting so close to a road and what would of happened if a truck would of come bouncing up the road. 

As far as tearing up the country side it all depends on how you ride it.  I have seen areas where the cattle on the range have torn up the stream banks and hill sides a lot more than a ATV has.  It is all in how you ride them and they have turned into the poor mans horse.  When you turn the key off you don't have to feed it anymore.  The big thing is for the rider to take responsibility for how and where they ride, it is no different than the guy in the big 4x4 and big tires seeing just how far they can go before they get stuck. 

 

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If you don't want to hear Trucks or ATVs, get off the road.

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No.  The answer to boorish behavior isn't to legislate away choices...it's to teach people courtesy and responsibility.  There are too many people out there who want to ban everything they don't agree with.  There's nothing in the Constitution about the right to live life without being offended or having the world operate to your personal standard.

I could just as easily demand an end to bow seasons because they take away the best animals before rifle season starts.  Or I could demand that the state carve up hunting areas into small units that must be reserved, in order to make sure I don't run into anybody.  Or I could demand that logging roads be obliterated because they interfere with my wilderness experience.

Maybe I could demand a ban on rifle scopes, because they give hunters an unfair advantage over wildlife and any "real" hunter uses iron sights.  Or I could demand a ban on anything other than single-shot rifles because any ethical hunter does the job with one shot.

Or, for that matter, if I were an anti-hunter I could demand a ban on hunting because I don't like the sound of gunfire and it limits the number of animals I see in the backcountry.

Yes, I'm expanding the issue...but at the heart of the matter is that true freedom involves putting up with the choices of others.  We need to rediscover the art of getting along with each other instead of imposing more legal restrictions.

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 We need to rediscover the art of getting along with each other instead of imposing more legal restrictions.

 

I agree.

Instead of looking for government to solve our problems we need to solve them ourselves. Asking for more laws is in effect asking government to solve a problem for us. I want as little government intrusion in to my life as possible. There are already laws and regulations regarding ATV usage.

 

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I would say that they do not

I would say that they do not need to be banned from huting areas but maybe monitired alot closer.  Now I know that is eaiser said than done as the Game and Fish wardens are alreadys busy enough and spread thin to have mto chase after irresponsible hunters on them.  My dad just bought one to use huunting but he just wants to take it from the camp to his spot and then walk into the woods,......not to hunt from.  They can be a real useful tool if usedproperly.  I think themone thing they could do is close alot of old logging roads and then it may keep them from using them so much.  I used to hunt an area that all the logging roads were heavily gates...and the whole 5 years we hunted there I think I heard on ATV...was real nice.

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Here in Michigan there are

Here in Michigan there are quiet periods during the hunting day when ATV's are not supposed to be used. HOWEVER, there is an exemption for emergencys and retreving game, so the rule is difficult to enforce. Age and infirmities have handicapted me to the point that without my ATV, I would not be able to get out to where I traditionally hunt.  I don't run around during the day but use it to access my blind/stand.

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Banned from entering hunting areas? Not in my opinion unless you ban trucks, and all motorized boats, snow mobiles etcetera too.  All terrain vehicles (aka 4-wheelers) are too handy at getting large game out of the hunting area.  I LOVE hauling deer with mine.  It sure would have been nice to have one when we hauled either of the moose out that I have had a hand in too, but both of those areas (federal land) forbid motorized vehicles anywhere except on the road.  We had to use man power alone to move two moose to the roadside.  Now – that said – if you are actually on a four wheeler – you are not hunting.  You might be going to or going from your hunting area but you are definitely not hunting while riding your All Terrain Vehicle.  Not unless you consider shooting from your pick up truck hunting or maybe shooting from a helicoptor.  You can kill animals from within your vehicles, but it is most commonly not called hunting.

 I agree one hundred percent that we are already over regulated on almost everything we do and we don’t need any more bans or restrictions, or government involvement.  In fact, I think that we ought to be rolling back government involvement in just about everything that we do whenever we have the opportunity.  Consider it an opportunity to save tax dollars if saving personal liberty isn’t reason enough!

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ATV's do affect wildlife behavior, the environment and pristine hunting opportunities.  There is a list of links to studies below which prove this, I would like to see the counter-studies which prove otherwise, because I really haven't seen any.  Nonetheless, when used appropriately on a designated trail, their impacts are greatly minimized; and they can provide access for folks who might not otherwise be able to get out, which is important.  I think that the key is to allow their use, but in a limited manner so that there are also opportunities to escape the noise and intrusions that many hunters seek to avoid.  That said, I personally, am a huge proponent of quiet backcountry hunting and fishing opportunities and support those groups which work to protect these opportunities as much as I can (see Backcountry Hunters and Anglers).  However, I do understand that this is a matter of personal preference and that others would prefer to ride around and look for animals from the road.  I do not wish to impose my ideals on other and therefore believe that there needs to be opportunities for both types of hunting - but it must be balanced and account for the exponential growth in ATV ownership/use, which will likely mean greater restrictions on their use. 

 

I can see the response already...I wish to reduce people's freedoms.  Since when does an ATV equate to freedom?  It is a new freedom, an invention, a technology, and, just like any other technology that affects the hunting experience, it is sportsmen's responsibility to determine when/if said technology is appropriate, just as we have collectively agreed to limit the use of 10 ga. + shotguns for bird hunting, and just as we have decided that the just because we have spotlights available to us; they should not be allowed to be used to hunt most game species.  Sure we limit our freedom, but we do so for the good of the whole. 

 

Links to studies about how ATV's affect wildlife and the environment:

 

http://www.wildlandscpr.org/road-riporter/effects-motorized-access-wildlife-northern-rockies

 

http://glorietamesa.org/USGSOHVBiblioReport.pdf

 

http://atfiles.org/files/pdf/ohvbibliogVT00.pdf

 

http://www.backcountryhunters.org/images/taking_action/ORV_WHITE_PAPER.pdf

 

 

 

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Just for the sake of noting it...

On our ranch the impact from ATV's... ANY vehicle, can be devasting.  We have noticed that driving off road can can lead to severe washouts once the rains come.  Even turning around at the top of mountain and backing slightly downhill can create enough of a 'rut' to cause severe problems once the rains come.  

My ranch is private so it's simple... we don't allow any off road driving with ANY kind of vehicle.  

I sympathize with those whose hunts are infringed on by the 'noise'... I hate it as well.  I use an ATV on my ranch... to get to the place where I hunt... then it gets 'parked'.  When I'm hunting it's always more than just 'hunting' for me... it's being in the outdoors, the widerness... THOSE are the sounds I want to hear... not engines.  

I think the laws setting designated areas for off road vehicles is the only solution.  It's not perfect, but it's a lot better than nothing. - JamesJM

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