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Arizona's antique draw process.

I am usually not one to complain about government affairs because nothing ever seems to change, or if it does, it changes for the worse. When it comes to hunting, I guess I'll make an exception. This weekend, I returned from vacation and immediately checked the Fall Big Game Draw results for Arizona. To my great surprise I was drawn for a deer hunt that I had not applied for. Arizona requires that application be made on a paper form and payment for the tag is required in the form of a check accompanying the form. Each species must be applied for separately and hunt numbers are used to identify the specific hunt unit and dates. I keep a copy of my application to confirm what I apply for. The only explanation I can come up with for the error is that some data entry person made a mistake. With over 110,000 applications, I can see how this could happen. My complaint is this. Every other state in the west has made it possible for the applications to be made on line and credit cards are used for payment. The AZGFD states that they are unable to find a vendor that can handle their draw. I refuse to accept this. If mistakes are going to be made, I prefer to make them myself.

I had planned to take my son to Montana for an Elk hunt during the time this Arizona deer tag is valid. I am lucky enough to have a good relationship with the guide in Montana, and he is willing to let me make a change.

I was wondering if others are tired of the AZGFD policies regarding the big game draw and if others have experienced mistakes made by the data entry persons working for them?

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Arizona's antique draw process.

I had it happen to a friend in Oracle last year, his problem was that he didn't look at his deer permit and hunted the opening weekend where he had put in for. Then for some reason he looked at his permit and saw that it had the wrong unit number on it.

I know that a few years ago Arizona did let you use a credit card and apply on line but I guess that they didn't make enough money off the hunters that year so they stopped it. Perhaps sooner or later they will get in line with other states and move into the 21st century.

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Arizona's antique draw process.

I have no idea how mnay errors are made, but this is the first story I have heard. I prefer to apply online (Colorado is easiest to me), and pay with a CC, but I have to say the draw program as a whole in Arizona is considerably more user friendly than the draw system in New Mexico.

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Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
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Arizona's antique draw process.

Since this has now happened to me on this draw, I can't help but wonder if it might have happened before and I never knew it. Perhaps this could be the reason I have gone so long without getting an Elk tag. I doubt it, but it just makes me wonder.

As for the New Mexico Draw, I find it to be very simple. They don't bother with the silly bonus point system. They do however charge more for the high demand hunts. I am OK with that. Arizona's bonus point system seems to make things much more complicated for the programmers, but not impossible. Statistically, it gives very little if any advantage to those with accumulated bonus points. It seems to me to be a wasted effort. I will give them credit for moving the Elk and Antelope draw to an earlier time. This allowed time for successful applicants to plan their early hunts and gives the unsuccessful applicants time to plan a family vacation before the summer is mostly gone.

There is definitely room for improvement in the Arizona process.

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Arizona's antique draw process.

As a resident of Arizona, by the way I rarely hunt Arizona, but the way I remember it is that up until about 3 years ago it was online. But there was an issue with out of state outfitters making like 3000 applications each and abusing the system. So to get around this abuse they took the big game hunts off line. Anyway I am sure there is some documentation on this somewhere out there.

I am sorry and not surprised you drew a tag that you did not apply for, as you are out of state and nonresident and pay a good fee to hunt as a nonresident.

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I thought they took it off line because neither the low bid contractor nor AZGFD's IT Dept could make the system work.

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vfrrick wrote:
As a resident of Arizona, by the way I rarely hunt Arizona, but the way I remember it is that up until about 3 years ago it was online. But there was an issue with out of state outfitters making like 3000 applications each and abusing the system. So to get around this abuse they took the big game hunts off line. Anyway I am sure there is some documentation on this somewhere out there.

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They corrected that problem by requiring the applicant to buy a hunting license before the draw instead of if you drew.

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Arizona's antique draw process.

I have to agree with you all. I think the paper application system, and the fact that all have to be submitted separately, is a bit much. Nevada and Idaho use the same online system (System Consultants, I think) and the only probelm I have ever had occured last year when they sent my NR Idaho hunting license but didn't include the harvest tag. I've never had a problem with units being screwed up like you guys mention.

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I live in AZ for the last 12 years and have never been draw

I'm in on the draw every year and have never been drawn???

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Arizona's antique draw process.

So I guess you would welcome a tag even if it was a mistake! There are some units I would live to mistakenly be sent a tag for!

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Have help friends get the deer each year

Pushed a monster up last year and guy on the side of the road got him.

helped get a 4 pointer last year. 4A brother in law

and 2 spikes the 2 years before that 5A.

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