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Are Lions killing off our deer populations.

I belive that the Deer are being killed off by the riseing numbers of cougers. I've been reading about the decrease in numbers due to stress, land loss, desease, hard winters, lack of vegatation, and I believe its mosty B.S.    Here in oregon i've had friends say kill any lion you see, and I've said in the past No! there are'nt that many of them. I have studied alot about this and found in the last 100 years theres been no recorded attacks on humans. But now there starting to happen since dogs are not allowed to keep them in check. The numbers have grown out of controll and the deer are dissapearing at a alarming rate now, and I have changed my thoughts of not shouting one on site. I have seen in the last ten years the numbers going down every year. the story in big game.net  states the facts that are plageing us all, and mostly the deer, the number one sorce of food for a couger. elk are growing in numbers, and stomp down the roads with no problems being, NOT the main sorce of food for big cats, that could be hurt attacking such a big speices. so food is not the reason for lack of deer and the ones left are haveing mostly two fawns, due to great sorces of it and easy winters.  in the artical on   Big Cats Are Back   in this site states that Colorado's cat population is taking 150,000 mule deer from a total estimated population of 300,000 deer. Hunters presently harvest between 40,000-50,000 per year. In 1963 Colorado's deer harvest was 147,000 mule deer so the cougar has replaced the hunter as the number one predator on the Colorado mule deer population.   and theres more that I will not add or this will go on and on about how the deer are being wiped out by predators as there numbers grow.  rember the numbers where always keep down by the humans hunting with dogs. now that has changed, and the only way that the couger population is going to decline is by running out of food, mainly deer and unhealthy or dying elk or some of the calfs that are unlucky to get protection from the big cows hooves. facts are showing Me that the choise of the big cats are dissapearing at a alarming rate, and the facts are being over looked and not being taken care of.  so do you want deer, or cats out of controll eating all the deer up. I think its time to face facts and see whats really happening to our deer, and stop listening to the game controll acting like they dont know what the problem is. the only way to stop the slaughter is to alow dog hunting, and get things back to normal,  like in the good old days, that people are talking about,  when there where alot of deer   instead of asking where did all the deer go.   What do you think?  Are Lions killing off our deer?  What should be done?  Ect. Ect.     we need to act,  before We cannot Hunt the dwindling deer numbers at all.   

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What is the Fish and Game's

What is the Fish and Game's take on the subject? Have they been very vocal about the situation? Letting your voice be heard by the game department and rallying your fellow hunters to do the same will probably be your best bet to see some real change take place. Vigilante style solutions usually aren't the best way to deal with that kind of situation. It's not like you will actually dent the cat population.

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I have read that Oregon wants to control the cat population at 2000 cats state, wide there count was figured at about 4000 cats  but how do they figure that?  I've got no idea. How do they count a cat that they say has so much space as they say??? 100 square miles I've heard WOW that's alot of space  how many square miles are in this state anyway??  and??  In the area where they don't follow the herds such as with the mules  for say,,  are they counting the cat piles,  as they do,   when counting to figure the deer counts in areas of no migrateing animals ???   this was ofwd info I read a while back. How do they count a cat that's hardly seen and you cannot track in a area where there's no snow??  and is mostly a night hunter. Night vision? thermal ??  I guess I need the goods to see even one.. I just see tracks but still want so bad to see one. it must be great..  makes me wonder anyway, how many do you see?   I will see one its just a matter of time I know and keeping my eyes open,, lol    someone tell me this please  I want to see a cat myself as I admire them deeply,  And I wonder about the fact and fiction, stories of a hunter being stalked or followed as I've heard.. are they  mostly fears? facts? or just made up in the minds of our selfs. filled with the thoughts of a Apex predator that maybe? could be? or is just right next to us, more then you'll ever no.  Feed me the facts. tell your stories, what have you heard seen ect?   I  have a very open mind. and want to know all I can.. 
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cougers

I think the f+g department will lack, any answers or solutions untill some people are taken and all people get pissed off at them. like all goverment they dont want to spend there money on a problem that will cost alot to fix. they will be slow and it will cost us more when they decide to act.

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The odfw reconizes cougars as

The odfw reconizes cougars as a poblem for the deer and elk heards, This year they opened up the season year round and also we can get 2 cats per year now. I think there doing everything they can, as hunters we could do more, like actually hunt the stupid things. instead of hoping to see one out deer hunting, take some time to focus just on the cats.

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How about non-resident access

How about non-resident access and hunting of cats? Are non-residents allowed 2 cats per year?

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yea non-residents can get 2

yea non-residents can get 2 cats but this is how it works, you get a general tag than if you fill that you can purchase an addition tag, oregon has zones with a quota system, its usally 777 cats per year and maybe half of that is met every year. I'll check on prices when i get home. I know its $140 for a non res licence, I'll check on the tag price.

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That isn't a bad deal then.

That isn't a bad deal then. It would be wise to pick one up if hunting elk or deer. Murphy's Law, if you don't have a tag, then you'll see several cats.

And year around hunting to boot! That would give a reason to get in the woods more often to scout and camp. You residents should put a hurting on those cats to protect your other seasons.

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I agree, i do, not to many

I agree, i do, not to many others do though. most of the cats are in NE oregon you'd think the resident over there would do more to hunt cats instead of complain about it, in the cascades and the coast where i live dont have near the population.

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good word numbnutz

I need advice on hunting them, Ive hunted for years and havent seen one yet. ::huh: I will its a matter of time, darn maybe I'm not that good at all. lol  my buddies seem to have all seen a streak or a flash or the animal or a short time, and  I do have a couger tag, not so much that I want to kill one thow, I just want to see one,,  lol   thanks bud  :thumbsup1:

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hu?

 I think there doing everything they can, as hunters we could do more, like actually hunt the stupid things. instead of hoping to see one out deer hunting, take some time to focus just on the cats.  wow  stupid things I have never seen on in years of hunting,,,,there silent night hunters mainly and smart as a whip. we will do nothing to stop them if we all hunted for them ourselfs all with all the time we have everyday all year long. how maney have you stalked and killed?  or any stile of hunting?  how do we see the night stalkers anyway???

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