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Any Doomsday Preppers here?

Just curious.  Watched a few episodes of Nat Geos Doomsday Preppers and was very disappointed with how Nat Geo has represented survivalist minded people.  Seems as if they've picked some of the most whacked out irrational people to profile as if to make a mockery out of true survivalist minded folks.  What are your thoughts on that matter. 

Let me just say that I was raised with "Be as prepaired as you can" mentallity.  Being a professional pilot for most of my adult life and flying in remote places, as well as being a lifelong hunter, shooter, and outdoorsman have reiforced my belief of being prepaired for certain things. So I'm not bashing people who stockpile things and are smart about prepairing for certain realistic disasters sinerios. 

But what do you guys think about people who truely believe there is actually going to be a zombie invation, or who think that modern civilization is going to melt down overnight?  If the stock market crashes today, why would anyone be in such a big hurry to bug-out and head for the hills immediately?? Historically speaking all pandemics and epidemics burn themselves out once the population is kept back in check.  Why during the worst crisis imagineable wouldn't people want to stay around, ban together, and help keep their communities going through team work.  What would heading for the hills do for you?  Even prehistorc humans realised that you couldn't survive being alone for very long. I suppose if one lives in an area where wildfires are a real threat, or near a chemical factory, or in a flood zone then it would be a good idea to have a plan to bug-out immediately in case those threats materialize.  Other than that why would anyone be in such a hurry to get out of Dodge immediately? Even during civil unrest I'd rather fortify my home and ban together with my neighbors to protect our community.

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  Well... personally I don't

 

Well... personally I don't think doomsday is anywhere near for us... and if so I feel the good Lord will take me and my loved ones to his side immediately... but just in case... I have to agree with you WesternHunter on the banning together for fortifying the area.  Our plan within the "clan" is to meet at Dad's property where we have the acreage, the agriculture, and the hunting to allow us to survive as a family.  The area is fairly remote and protectable.  I just pray it doesn't come to that!  But I also have become an expert at canning and have some great meats and vegetables canned for the just in case... but I have also opened some and enjoyed the great results!

 

 

 

 

 

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Sounds like you have a good thing there. 

I don't know, I think anything can happen at anytime.  But that's just the dangers all living things have had to live with every second of every day since the beginning.  Just the way it is. But you still have to live and enjoy life for right now too. 

The Earth along with  the rest of the solar system is a living thing and like all living things it will eventually fall into disarray or burn-out or come to an abrupt end at some point. On a scale so grand I doubt anything would survive a split second if it were to all come to an abrupt halt. 

But I believe in being as prepared as you can to be able to be self-sustaining and self-reliant if a disaster were to occure in my area.  I encourage others to do the same.  What you need, along with your plans will all depend on where you live and what disasters are most likely to happen in your area. 

But I do have serious doubts that western civilization would immediatley melt-down if the stockmarket were to crash, if an agressive act of invasion happened, or if another terrorist attack occured, or if a pandemic broke out, or if a volcano were to errupt, or if the power were to go out for a week to a month, etc.  Western civilization has endured many worse disasters in the past and still thrived just fine.

 

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Well I do not hoard food, nor do I own (what I consider) an assault weapon.  I do have plenty of hunting and shooting firearms and ammo though.

I do believe that given the weak state of this country’s financial status that there is the potential of the “collapse of the American dollar”.  This along with a (or possibly caused by a) major act of terrorism or natural disaster could toss the whole country or at least large geographical areas into a socially chaotic state at least temporarily.  I do believe that the government does have plans to keep this from happening or if it does happen, reverse the process.  There is the “Office of Infrastructure Preparedness”.

Long before Jethro Gibbs was around I always had a personal rule never to go anywhere without a knife and a way to make fire.  This was from growing up with outdoor / hunting type surroundings.  Now days I travel all over the NE (from ME to VA to the Dakotas) for work pretty much on a weekly basis.  So I have added a gun to that rule when legal.  So in my travel bad there is always a knife (has now actually become a Leatherman multi tool) and a lighter and where legal a S&W 40 cal handgun with holster and 2 extra clips.  Now I hope never to have to use them but given worst case scenario and I am hundreds of miles away from my family those three things will go a long way in helping me get what I need to get home.

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Saw one episode where they

Saw one episode where they were installing a doomsday bunker in some guys back yard.  Interesting for sure......

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They are not hurting anyone

They are not hurting anyone (except the guy that blew off his hand with a rifle) so it is no big deal to me.  Are they right?  I don't know, but you can't say they're wrong.

I see signs that indicate that we may find ourselves in a state of civil unrest.  America is polarized.  Black v white, rich v poor, repubs v dems, conservative v liberal and so on....  The hate mongering is scary and continues to grow.  At some point it may well escalate into widespread violence.

I can see a scenario where Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional, the hate talk heightens and some discrepancy in the election (remember hanging chads?) puts Romney in office and the lid might blow.

So do you live your life preparing or go on and hope for the best?

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They are not hurting anyone (except the guy that blew off his hand with a rifle) so it is no big deal to me.  Are they right?  I don't know, but you can't say they're wrong.

I see signs that indicate that we may find ourselves in a state of civil unrest.  America is polarized.  Black v white, rich v poor, repubs v dems, conservative v liberal and so on....  The hate mongering is scary and continues to grow.  At some point it may well escalate into widespread violence.

I can see a scenario where Obamacare is ruled unconstitutional, the hate talk heightens and some discrepancy in the election (remember hanging chads?) puts Romney in office and the lid might blow.

So do you live your life preparing or go on and hope for the best?

No they certainly are not wrong.  I was raised with a be prepared attitude, so I fully understand it, though I do believe you have to be logical about it and prepare for the things that are more likely to happen.  But I also know that anything can happen and a big part of survivalism isn't about stockpiling material goods, but more so keeping certain selective things on-hand to give you the ability to create and build from what nature provides, be it food, shelter, water, clothing, fire, tools, energy, etc. 

What concerns me about many of these people is their run and hide mentality.  This really speaks volumes about a person.  In my view the progressive builder type people don't run and hide when things get tough, but stay and try and fix it, take leadership, and try to make it work.  Sure I understand that there are a few circumstances when one would be smart to bug-out for a time being, such as wildfires, floods, nuclear fall-out, chemical accidents, foreign invasion, etc.  But beyond those things I just don't understand this run and hide philosophy.  Many people live their whole lives keeping their bags packed ready to bail-out if the SHTF rather than working hard doing their part to insure that their worst fears never have to materialize.  We all have a part in all this, each one of us plays a role, some larger than others, but we all play a role in how society functions and works.

As far as America being polariozed.....well what else is new?  Having studied the history of this country for most of my life I can tell you that the only thing that has really changed us is the mainstream media.  I don't think we are anymore polorized today than we were at various times going back 250 years. I believe that any major meltdown that could happen would not likely occure overnight, but would be a gradual thing occuring slowly over a century perhaps.  But that's just my take on it.

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What I don't understand is

What I don't understand is why they prepare for nuclear holocaust and total destruction of the world and complete colapse of society. I mean I guess it is human nature to want to survive but if the whole country is poisioned by nuclear weapons or what not I would be happier just to go to god than stay hunkered in a bunker thinking how smart I was to prepare. I guess I just think there is life and then there is quality of life. If I'm having to kill all my neighbors to survive what the hells the point.

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I don't think today's preppers are as worried about global thermonuclear war as they are about the lights going out...i.e. EMP rather than fallout.  Think about it...everything's networked nowadays.  Financial transactions are overwhelmingly electronic.  If the power was cut, how long do you think a major urban area would keep its sanity?  No way to get your cash out of the bank, no refrigeration to store food, etc.  A lot of prepping nowadays centers around the ability to survive for an extended time without electricity and the conveniences it provides and the civility it maintains.

Bottom line: today's preppers worry more about their neighbors than they do the Russians.  But IMO it's naive to think the answer is to bug out and camp out in a fortress of solitude filled with goodies.  That just means you're isolated and vulnerable, sitting atop a stash of what everyone wants.  There's a reason people formed villages and communities...it's strength in numbers.  You can bet that if social breakdown were to occur, those who would prey off of others to survive would form groups for that purpose.  And when they form those groups, they're going to look for isolated targets.  It doesn't matter how much food and ammunition you have stashed in your underground bunker if someone can drop a gallon of gas and a flare down an air vent.

The best preparation for disaster and social chaos is preventing it in the first place...by building relationships with your neighbors.

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You're a very wise man. Well

You're a very wise man. Well said!

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Hits the fan

When and if it hits the fan, it is my beleaf, the the hunters will save this country, as others have said above, we can survive, without power and other things, i only own hunting type guns, but i have enough ammo to hold off a small army.

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