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I concur with Ex, there has been a lot of talk (including myself) on the conservative bent of the newly elected democrats.

The bottom line though is that the major democratic power brokers within the senate/house are heavily anti-gun (I'm talking about those that hold committee positions). Politics is about compromise and we have yet to see where these new blue dogs will fall on anti-gun legislation when put to the test. Furthermore I don't expect the sitting president or nearly any possible elected president in 2008 to veto an AWB style act.

Bush, Giuliani, Romney, Fiengold, Clinton, Obama, Edwards, and Gore either by their direct statements or voting records have shown a willingness to re-enact the AWB.

McCain is one exception to the rule...

What this means is that any anti-gun legislation will have to be stopped in Congress because a president will most likely not veto it.

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Expatriate,

I would point out that declaring war is the sole arena of the congress according to our constitution. I think the intent of the resolution of which you speak, is to rule out Bush taking military action against Iran under the farce of fighting terrorism, using the powers granted to him by congress after 9/11. This is to say that they aren't about to let Bush take pre-emptive action without congressional approval. Your ananlysis exagerrates the extent to which the congress wants to constrain Bush's powers. It is not as absolute as you would suggest, rather a matter ot unrestrained pre-emptive action.

On you other point, I disagree. I would argue that the freshmen as you call them have the leverage. This is so because in large part the agenda the liberal democrats such as Pelosi benefits the constitutuents of the conservatives in regards to education, health care etc. So they need not budge on other issues b/c either way thier constitutnets will see benefits.

At any rate, back to the original topic on the AWB. The federal appeals court just struck down a law prohibiting DC residents from possessing hand guns in their homes. Count 'em boys, that's one for the good guys.

Here's a link on the article in the NYT.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/washington/10gun.html?hp

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Solohunter:
Check out the War Powers Act. The President can use force for a limited period before congressional approval. Furthermore, congress gave Bush the approval. No laws have been broken, and despite the bluster, congress is responsible as well. Bush just isn't trying to shirk accountability like they are.

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SoloHunter wrote:
I would bet that we have nothing to fear about the AWB, too many conservative democrats in office.

Me personally, I sold my assault weapons after I got back from Iraq. These are guns that are made for killing people.

You are betting MY guns. As many posters have said, we can't afford to sit back and hope for the best. We have to be the "squeaky wheel" and let our elected reps know how we'll be voting next election. The NRA is a great supporter for hunters but has a history of throwing non-hunters "under the bus" to save hunting guns. I have also joined the GOA which is more a Second Amendment group and takes a more literal approach to the Constitution. ANY gun ban threatens ALL gun ownership. We have to remember that.

Remember this also. Gun ownership is guaranteed by the Constitution but hunting is guaranteed nowhere. Liberals view hunting right down there with pulling the wings off baby chicks. If they get the initative hunting will also be a thing of the past. Fishing too.

Saying one type of gun is only meant for killing people is ludicrous. Talk like that just gives the anti's more ammunition. If I wanted to take out a lot of people quickly I would load up the 12 gauge with buckshot, not grab an AR-15. You can bet that if I know that the anti's do too and our shotguns are on someone's list for a future ban.

As Ben Franklin said; "Gentlemen, if we don't hang together we will certainly hang separately."

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Roach711 wrote:
The NRA is a great supporter for hunters but has a history of throwing non-hunters "under the bus" to save hunting guns.

How do you come to that conclusion?

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bitmasher wrote:
How do you come to that conclusion?

Maybe I should have said "Appears to be willing to throw non-hunting guns under the bus to save hunting guns."

Lately there have been several issues: gun confiscation in New Orleans, the renewed attempt at passing a new federal AWB, and Ilinois' recent AWB proposal. I see a lot of activity from GOA but very little from the NRA. Please put me straight if I'm wrong about this.

The NRA is undoubtedly the hunters best friend but what about the CCW folks and the military rifle people? What about the confiscations in New Orleans? To the left wing liberals there is no such thing as a good gun and if they have their way all of them will be "beaten into plowshares". The NRA is the 800 lb. gorilla in firearms advocacy but needs to take a more 2nd Ammendment approach. If any part of the sport looses out it won't be long before we all lose.

I'm a supporter of the NRA. Truly I am. I just think they need to widen their focus. Sacraficing "assault weapons" to save hunting guns might work for a while, but only for a while.

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Katrina
http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/NewsReleases.aspx?ID=9009
NRA-ILA sued Nagan and company and won.

CCW's (Colorado in this case)
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2711
Persuing potential roll backs in state CCW rights. They most likely have grassroots actions in your neck of the woods too.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/State/

On the AWB, NRA sent around an alert and besides the bill is in committee anyway. They can't stop the committee, all they can do is notify members about the potential legislation.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=2668

If you have doubts about the NRA, I suggest reading the writings of Mark Keefe, Wayne LaPierre, Sandra Froman, and especially Chris Cox. Their positions set the tone for the NRA and should put your mind at ease that the NRA has a broad focus and interpretation for the second-amendment.

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Solohunter - Your analysis is comforting, but I'm going to keep those letters and e-mails going out. It can't hurt to have the politicians afraid of us as a voting block.

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Bitmasher - Looks like I need to do a little research before opening my mouth. Thanks for the info!