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Another run at the AWB

Two months into the new congress and the anti-gunners are gearing up for a new AWB (the so called "assault" weapons ban). This bill is just in committee, but it shows that these folks never give up.....

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-1022

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and mr. zumbo's comment will only fuel there fire.

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I hate to say it, but I think you boys are going to get a taste of what we have been up against for the last couple of decades, if the Democrats get in..........and at this point in time it is certainly looking that way.

For your sakes I hope I am wrong.

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We better all listen up and pay attention to this bill. Find out how YOUR congressman or woman is going to vote. Make sure your voice is heard. We cannot become complacent about this. I'm sure the NRA is all over this. If you're not an NRA member yet - now is the time to sign up!

As another poster said in another thread "we can't give an inch!" Doesn't matter if you have ever shot a semi-auto firearm or not, or like them or not. We simply cannot budge and allow this type of legislation. BTW, click the above link and read the list of firearms that are included in the proposed ban. Its not just ARs & AKs, but includes some shotguns and handguns.

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Write to your representative

Write a quick email to your rep. It's as easy as going to thier web page and clicking the link. It can't hurt to let them know what you're thinking.

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cowgal is right, we cant give an inch and we must fight for more rights then ever before. Thumbs up

join the nra write letters call congressmen and thell them how you feel, anything you do even the smallest thing will help. Yes

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I would bet that we have nothing to fear about the AWB, too many conservative democrats in office. Furthermore, studies suggest that the AWB failed at curbing gun violence. It was something akin to trying to reduce drag racing by restricting paint job, tinted windows and rims, it stressed form over function. The most dangerous things about AKs, SKS and the like, is that they are dirt cheap, semi-auto , magazine fed, high caliber rifles. I bought my SKS for $200. I doubt any criminal ever committed a violent crime with a $1400 M-14. Although I have to wonder how much laws affect criminals, they are after all disobeying the law. I am sure if all a criminal had available to commit a violent crime was a .22, they would use it.

Me personally, I sold my assault weapons after I got back from Iraq. These are guns that are made for killing people. I don't want to raise my son with those sorts of notions. But Americans should definitely be able to own whatever type of shoulder fired weapon they want to own. After all, the bill of rights is in place so that the American people could revolt if need be. The founding fathers, Jefferson I think, wrote that revolution from time to time was essential to a well functioning democracy.

At any rate, I don't think the AWB will ever see the light of day.

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Even though this is most definitely a political issue, I've moved this thread to the "anything goes" forum.

More people need to see this and take action.

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Solohunter, why would you say that we have nothing to fear with the H.R. 1022 bill before congress? Its a reauthorization of the bill that was instated in 1994 and expired in 2004. If it was instated once, it could be re-instated very easily. As I've said before we cannot become complacent and assume we have nothing at risk here.

Here is a link from the NRA-ILA website about H.R. 1022:
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=2668

You can have study after study and all kinds of numbers that PROVE that the politicians wrong, and yet you have bills like this presented. Crazy stuff gets passed by congress all the time. We need to wake up and more importantly speak up. Once we lose even a small portion of our rights, its going to be very difficult to get them back.

Lastly we need to quit calling AKs and semi-automatic weapons "assault weapons"! Its the name given to them by the antis to raise fear in the general public. One firearm is not more capable of killing people than another. Any deer hunting rifle is just as capable of killing people.

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First, I will respectfully state that obviously I am not an "anti". As for the bill being instated the first time as opposed to the second time, it in necessary for one to understand that the Democratic party is not a monolith. There are liberal, moderate and conservative Deomocrats. Under Clinton the liberals and moderates had a stronger presence. This past election cycle most of the Republican seats that were lost, were lost to conservative Democrats. Furthermore, as a former aide to a state legislator who was a liberal Democrat, the common sense among the Democratic party is that there are bigger fish to fry. It's not worth using the credit that voters gave the Democrats to use it on the AWB, that probably wouldn't pass anyway if it came up for a vote. Bascially, there are more important things on the agenda. Not that it would pass anyway.

As for you point about the AWB being a spectacular failure, I agree. LIke I said, an AK with a flash suppressor, a removable mag and a folding stock was illegal, yet if it only had 2 of those features it was legal. We all know that's a bunch of hogwash.

To address your third point, I respectfully disagree. I do agree that a bullet from a bolt action .22 will kill you just as dead as a bullet from an automatic .30 cal. In addition, I am a three time Marine expert on the rifle range. From the 500 yard line I can hit a man standing 10 times out of 10 with iron sights, from the prone position. I know first hand that all rifles, regardless of caliber, action etc., are equally deadly in the hands of a skilled marksman.

HOWEVER, I would argue that most criminals are not skilled marksman. For instance, take an inner city gangster or criminal. I doubt he goes to the range to sight in his gun. Instead I would bet that the first time he uses his weapon in a crime, would be the first time he has ever fired it. Considering this, do you really believe that a person, completely inexperienced with firearms, can hit a target as easily with a bolt action 22 as with an AK? I do not think so.

Lastly, an assault rifle is markedly different from my bolt-action 30-06. My aforementioned point supports this. Assault rifles are in fact designed for the sole purpose of killing people. This isn't to say that they can't be used for hunting, they certainly can. However I'd much rather admire my beautiful Browning A-bolt with it's beautiful walnut stock, than any assault rifle, every day of the week. Ultimately, it's your individual choice to own what you want to own. If you want assault rifles, then great, that's your choice, I prefer otherwise.

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solohunter - by your post it seems like you could care less if they banned the right to own a ar-15 or ak or pistols.
remember all guns are designed to kill, which also means protection/hunting/target shooting,fun/etc...
but so are all knifes are designed to cut/stab/kill!! we better ban ownership of those too eye roll

if your not willing to step up to the plate & protect another gun owners, then there will not be anyone to stand up for you rights to own a certain gun!! let alone down the road your hunting rights.
wake up & smell the coffee & look at other countries & what kinds of guns they can have & the insane laws to even own them. & even ban ownship of knifes & mace which its against the law to protect yourself in some countries eye roll

this battle is a all or nothing deal !
as for your browning Abolt rifle, to tell you the truth I could care less if they banned all bolt rifles cuz I dont use them for hunting I use a bow Wink
do you see how foolish your quote is, because you dont own one theres no need to protect the rights of others to own them.
& FYI that browning Abolt rifle is a sniper rifle that they also want to ban ownership!!! why ? its because you can shoot at farther distances (which is not needed for hunting) high powered scopes to shoot farther, big bullets that can penitrate car doors/body armour, & they might even take a stance like france did - any military round is against the law for subjects(citizens) to own.
well that darn near rules out all the major hunting rounds since they all was once used for the military.

& even your beloved ruger 10/22 is illegal to own in D.C.