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redrider wrote:
Thank God I'm in the position to teach my children what hunting really is, and not have to rely on spending thousands of $$ for going through the motions of just killing a trophy animal. The trophy should come from your experiences you encounter during your preparation and hard work of finding the animal you are seeking, rather than the size of its antlers. Every animal I kill is a trophy because I know I did it all on my own, from field to table.
I do realize not everyone has that opportunity, and that's why I am so grateful. I just feel sorry for those that can't experience what a real hunt is. As the post started out, is this type of "hunting" really hunting? Not in my book.

....well put red Thumbs up

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ratrivertrapper:
This was the moral of my last post: I don't expect to change your mind, all I'm trying to say is until you've been or unless you associate with those who do go, don't generalize and make statements like you did.

Of course you're entitled to your opinions on this or anything else and if you want to make broad generalizations about the people who go to high fenced hunts, well, you can do that too I guess. It just shows that you know very little about what actually goes on at the majority of these places. And for the record, no, I don't agree with everything "the bush family" has done or said, but he's a heck of a lot better than the alternative!
You also said this: "I don't agree with it being called hunting no more than i would call fishing in a stocked pool in my back yard fishing"
Well, would you consider fishing in a stocked pond fishing?

cam69conv: Excellent post! I especially like the last part- "The bigger picture is this, our way of life as hunters is being slowly but most assuradly stripped away by the government and the anti's and the constant battles amongst ourselves about things that some only know a little about isn't helping. We as hunters need to band together to insure our way of life."
I couldn't agree more, but I wish more who enjoy hunting would realize this.

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7magshooter wrote:
ratrivertrapper:
This was the moral of my last post: I don't expect to change your mind, all I'm trying to say is until you've been or unless you associate with those who do go, don't generalize and make statements like you did.

Of course you're entitled to your opinions on this or anything else and if you want to make broad generalizations about the people who go to high fenced hunts, well, you can do that too I guess. It just shows that you know very little about what actually goes on at the majority of these places. And for the record, no, I don't agree with everything "the bush family" has done or said, but he's a heck of a lot better than the alternative!
You also said this: "I don't agree with it being called hunting no more than i would call fishing in a stocked pool in my back yard fishing"
Well, would you consider fishing in a stocked pond fishing?

cam69conv: Excellent post! I especially like the last part- "The bigger picture is this, our way of life as hunters is being slowly but most assuradly stripped away by the government and the anti's and the constant battles amongst ourselves about things that some only know a little about isn't helping. We as hunters need to band together to insure our way of life."
I couldn't agree more, but I wish more who enjoy hunting would realize this.

....raising of wild game animals or fish for that matter is nothing more than FARMING for $$$$ ,there is always the danger of disease and loss off native species should they escape which i'm sure has allready happened

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ratrivertrapper wrote:
raising of wild game animals or fish for that matter is nothing more than FARMING for $$$$ ,there is always the danger of disease and loss off native species should they escape which i'm sure has allready happened

Well, that's one way to look at it I guess. Those evil ranch/landowners, trying to make money, how dare they!!

Any good rancher that has deer/elk/exotics, etc... will tell you that in most states they are required to have every animals tested for diseases. And if they are deemed to be disease-free, how do "native species" suffer if they ever get out?

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For anyone who uses animal scents, remember where they come from. Wheather or not those farms are used for hunting I don't know, don't care. Would be smart for them to have two or three sources of income from that stock though.
Don't forget the most important thing is that we get out and hunt, and enjoy it as much as possible with family and friends. We need to concentrate heavier on those positive aspects more, and less on opinions and negativities which could cause harm or stir trouble for us, this site, and our hunting community as a whole. I can just imagine some anti-gunner/hunter reading all this right now, and laughing at our failure to communicate properly with each other.

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And again the rumors and missinformation takes the form of print from an uneducated individual.

As 7mag said, those animals are vet checked 3 times a year or more by LAW in all states. What you are rambling about goes on in Canada and other places which is why those animals are not allowed in this country!! CWD and Tuburculosis are rampant in those countries because they are not checked and followed up on like they are here.

Awww how dare a rancher make a little money!!!... Ok please inform me of the difference here, You pay 2500 dollars (just a figure I know most are more) for a GUIDED hunt. You get there to a lavish lodge, the guide has been out there all year doing your work for you, you follow that guide, he points, you shoot. Can you honestly say that there is any difference? NO you cant. But I dont see you jumping at guide services!!

My point is the same as it has been if you arent too thick to understand it, I am a hunter, you are a hunter im guessing, and instead of backstabbing someone because they have a different opinion about fair chase is ignorance pure and simple. ratrivertrapper I would bet that you have never even seen one of these 1000+ acre ranches so you are just going by what others have said about it so you are going by conjecture from others and not your own knowlege and experiance. THAT is what causes stupidity in our ranks and is weakening it to the point to where we will soon loose all our rights and privledges as hunters and probably even our firearms. The government and the anti's arent only targeting our hunting, but our guns as well. They are using hunting as a tool to their main goal and us fighting amongst ourselves is allowing it.

Please educate yourself and open your eyes. Im not saying ANYONE has to agree, Im saying that you need to further educate yourself with TRUTH and not jump someone when you know nothing about what they are doing.

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7magshooter wrote:
ratrivertrapper wrote:
raising of wild game animals or fish for that matter is nothing more than FARMING for $$$$ ,there is always the danger of disease and loss off native species should they escape which i'm sure has allready happened

Well, that's one way to look at it I guess. Those evil ranch/landowners, trying to make money, how dare they!!

Any good rancher that has deer/elk/exotics, etc... will tell you that in most states they are required to have every animals tested for diseases. And if they are deemed to be disease-free, how do "native species" suffer if they ever get out?

....I never said it was evil those are your words i am just saying that it's not hunting from where i sit ! but if it turns your crank so be it you have the right to call it what you like

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cam69conv wrote:
And again the rumors and missinformation takes the form of print from an uneducated individual.

As 7mag said, those animals are vet checked 3 times a year or more by LAW in all states. What you are rambling about goes on in Canada and other places which is why those animals are not allowed in this country!! CWD and Tuburculosis are rampant in those countries because they are not checked and followed up on like they are here.

Awww how dare a rancher make a little money!!!... Ok please inform me of the difference here, You pay 2500 dollars (just a figure I know most are more) for a GUIDED hunt. You get there to a lavish lodge, the guide has been out there all year doing your work for you, you follow that guide, he points, you shoot. Can you honestly say that there is any difference? NO you cant. But I dont see you jumping at guide services!!

My point is the same as it has been if you arent too thick to understand it, I am a hunter, you are a hunter im guessing, and instead of backstabbing someone because they have a different opinion about fair chase is ignorance pure and simple. ratrivertrapper I would bet that you have never even seen one of these 1000+ acre ranches so you are just going by what others have said about it so you are going by conjecture from others and not your own knowlege and experiance. THAT is what causes stupidity in our ranks and is weakening it to the point to where we will soon loose all our rights and privledges as hunters and probably even our firearms. The government and the anti's arent only targeting our hunting, but our guns as well. They are using hunting as a tool to their main goal and us fighting amongst ourselves is allowing it.

Please educate yourself and open your eyes. Im not saying ANYONE has to agree, Im saying that you need to further educate yourself with TRUTH and not jump someone when you know nothing about what they are doing.

....I am not fighting with anyone ,simply responding to the post .Also i have been hunting for over 40 years and several provinces and you are right i never hunted in one of those places and never will ! as far as government goes they have only one agenda ,gathering votes and getting re-elected . And it does sound to me that you think everyone should agree with you !else you wouldn't be getting so testy Shame on You!

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I personally couldn't care less who does or does not agree with hunting high fenced areas, my point is the same as cam69conv:
Please educate yourself and open your eyes. Im not saying ANYONE has to agree, Im saying that you need to further educate yourself with TRUTH and not jump someone when you know nothing about what they are doing.

Ratrivertrapper makes broad generalizations, such as the fact that he believes that all these people care about is a head on the wall and having pictures made, not to mention his implied statement that nothing about hunting is learned at a place that has high fences.

I've never been hunting anywhere in my life and not learned something I didn't know prior about the game I was hunting, different methods, etc... Having a fence around a piece of property doesn't automatically eliminate learning new things, being physically/mentally challenged by a hunt, etc. That same fence also doesn't magically change the way an animal acts, it's instincts and it's wariness of the unknown (i.e. humans). Unless of course you're referring to some idiot who has a 100acre fenced field with a bunch of animals in it looking for the nearest exit or a hand that has some corn in it-and it seems as though in your mind, that's what hunting a high fence is like. I'm here to tell you that's totally incorrect (at least in all my experiences), so educate yourself a bit more on the subject before you go making broad generalizations of everyone and everything involved with these places.

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7magshooter wrote:
I personally couldn't care less who does or does not agree with hunting high fenced areas, my point is the same as cam69conv:
Please educate yourself and open your eyes. Im not saying ANYONE has to agree, Im saying that you need to further educate yourself with TRUTH and not jump someone when you know nothing about what they are doing.

Ratrivertrapper makes broad generalizations, such as the fact that he believes that all these people care about is a head on the wall and having pictures made, not to mention his implied statement that nothing about hunting is learned at a place that has high fences.

I've never been hunting anywhere in my life and not learned something I didn't know prior about the game I was hunting, different methods, etc... Having a fence around a piece of property doesn't automatically eliminate learning new things, being physically/mentally challenged by a hunt, etc. That same fence also doesn't magically change the way an animal acts, it's instincts and it's wariness of the unknown (i.e. humans). Unless of course you're referring to some idiot who has a 100acre fenced field with a bunch of animals in it looking for the nearest exit or a hand that has some corn in it-and it seems as though in your mind, that's what hunting a high fence is like. I'm here to tell you that's totally incorrect (at least in all my experiences), so educate yourself a bit more on the subject before you go making broad generalizations of everyone and everything involved with these places.

....Maybe you should go back and read the original post that jd wrote ? thats what I made my comments on but it appears that I've steped on a nerve ! when i go hunting i go for the trip and the outing if i do make a kill it's a bonus and there all trophies to me ,yes and i clean ,dress cook and eat what i kill !! Brick Wall,)

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