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in competetive long range shooting the US military shoots the 300 wm,thier snipers shoot a 308 because that is a NATO appproved round...

Besides competing in Interservice and national competitions, the Service Rifle Team conducts the National Small Arms Firing School for the Department of Defense.

[The team competes in open team matches and individual championships, state service rifle championships and state highpower championships.

The team’s most important matches are the Infantry Trophy Match, USMC Commanding General Six-Man Team Match, the 1,000-Yard Match in Divisions A and B, the Interservice Rifle Team Championship Match (also known as the 10-Man Team Match), the Reynolds Trophy Match and the Interservice Individual Rifle Match at the Interservice Championships at Quantico, Va., National Trophy Team Match and the National Infantry Trophy Team Match, the National Service Rifle Championship and the President's Hundred Individual Rifle Match at the National Matches at Camp Perry, Ohio, every summer.

Shooters compete with the modified M-16A2 rifle and 300 Winchester Magnums with scopes and shoot at targets up to 1,000 yards away.]
http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/amu/sr/srindex.htm
they chose the 300wm because of its impressive long range accuracy and stopping power.If it wernt for NATO the US snipers wouldnt be shooting a 308. Thumbs up

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LOL..it seems this 7mm RM thead has turned into what is the better 30 cal long range shooting cartridge...One thing to note is that the 7mm bullets (comparing weight to weight, type to type) have a better Ballistic Coefficient then any of the 30 cal bullets. No one can deny the fact that B.C has a great deal to do with effecting long range accuracy & energy. Therefore, i think 7mm's make better long range shooters then 30 cals could.

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Thats a fact! Thumbs up

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The fact of the matter is the 308 is more accurate. In long-range matches, it rules the heap, period. In benchrest competitions, only the 6mm-PPC-USA and 6mm BR are more accurate.

The 7mm RM is a great long-range big game hunting round. But it is not a miracle worker. It's no easier to hit with than a 30-06, 270, or any of the other all-around cartridges. The 7mm Weatherby Magnum and 7mm STW give it more than a run for its money.

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As for the accuracy of the 300WM..I am a major believer! I decapitated a quail at 200 yards with my Model 70, handed it to my buddy who did the same thing! Each with one shot. We were amazed! As for the bench, whole different animal.
Captain Obvious, if I read your first post correctly, you "threw in" with the 270 being as good for long range game shooting as the 7mm. Well, it may shoot as far, but it doesnt pack the same punch. Maybe for deer it would be as good for LONG RANGE-but not ELK. As for the love of the 7mm (just bought a weatherby europa in 7mmWM) I have alot of confidence in its versatility. But, I will get back to you later on accuracy since I have not taken it to the range yet.
I wouldnt be comfortable shooting an elk with a 270 past 250 yards..if I was very dialed into that particular gun. With the 7mmWM I would feel comfortable (if dialed in) to taking an elk out to 300+ yards with the right bullet & load.

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Jigman, I never said it had the same punch. I said its trajectory was not that different, with both using factory loads. I also never said the 300 Winchester magnum was not accurate. I simply said the 308 is more accurate, which is true.

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Captian this thread is about the 7mag and how well it performs on NA big game at long ranges and the people who like the caliber,please dont try to hijak it with the 308 rhetoric start your own thread if you want to discuss the 308 and how accurate it is,it is NOT a all around NA hunting cartridge and we all know it.Jigman,if you had thaty quail hunt on film you could sell it for bigbucks to the gun manufacture,it would make an awsome add!!I would never even consider the 270 a long range elk gun,I would be sceptical taking a 250 yard shot with it on an elk.I have shot and seen elk shot with the 7mag at 300+ and it has always performed very well,especially with a Nosler Partition in the 150-170 gr range.Whats the heviest bullet any of you have shot out of a 7rm and how did it perform? Think

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The 7 Rem mag is certainly a calibre that is on my to own list but I can't say I have ever shot one. Everything points to an excellent round with excellent accuracy potential that should do fine with just about any animal in North America. I think it would be a round that I would truly love and one that is going to last through the new calibre race for years to come.

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I think if anything it is going to be more popular in the near future,with the hype over the new ultra mags dying down,my cousin just sold his 7mm rum and bought a new 7rm,he got sick of the long barrel and he cant shoot for s*** anyway.lol! neener!

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Hey NONYA, yes the 308 is an all-around cartridge. What's more, it's also very popular in Africa. I own a 7mm Remington Magnum. I know it's a great round. I never said it wasn't. I simply said the 308 is more inherently accurate.

Truthfully, any of the all-around cartridges and varmint-class rounds in good rifles could have done the same thing jigman's 300 did. That's not the round, it's the shooter. In actuality, when it comes down to it, the 300 Winchester Magnum is a little bit better than the 7mm, because it delivers more energy and is more versatile.

The 270 Winchester and the 30-06 are still more popular, and both, particularly the latter, will do anything the 7mm Rem Mag can do.

List of some ALL-AROUND HUNTING CARTRIDGES: http://www.chuckhawks.com/readers_choice_rifle_cartridges.htm