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expatriate wrote:
So just which factor would open your eyes, SoCo? You're willing to ignore Obama's voting record, public statements, and associations that document his anti-gun beliefs. Now you're willing to believe that Palin's avid interest in hunting or fishing doesn't imply anything about the McCain ticket's stance on the 2nd Amendment.

Wow. There must be crack in that kool-aid.

And as far as the BAC conspiracy theory goes, just because Ted Kennedy did it doesn't mean Cheney did. Not everybody uses the Democrat playbook. Besides, Cheney's witnesses lived.

If your too dense to understand diametrically opposed to every other issue then that's your problem as well as csumeralls.

Saddam Hussein hunted had game preserves and plenty of weapons. Is he now your HERO? Should your idol Bush not invaded cuz after all he was a HUNTER and had GUNS.

C'mon Expat by your logic if they hunt and own a gun their good to go no matter what they might have done in the past or how much you disagree with em.

Also, C'mon why else would Cheney wait so damn long to report it??? Pretty damn obvious to me. Again knowing your rank hypocrisy if it was a Dem who waited that long you'd be all over it saying the same thing I am.

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If your too dense to understand diametrically opposed to every other issue then that's your problem as well as csumeralls.

What exactly is my problem, is it that i dont smugly look down upon others, attempt to discredit others upon personal issues. Or is it that I just dont fall in line with what you believe. Or maybe its because you resent the fact that I have certain values that I believe are important and am unwilling to change. I dont know. But, you are little out of line saying that i have a problem. I am not voting the big R because Palin is a sportsman, Its because their beliefs are closer to mine than the Democrats. Plain and simple, I personally dont care where you stand on the issues, you are unwilling to accept that another party maybe better in certain aspects.

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SoCo, not once in this or any other thread have you shown anything on Obama's record that shows he supports the 2nd Amendment. All you've done is say you don't believe the overwhelming evidence (including his own words) and stand by him because he says he won't at the moment.

It's not just a matter of hunting. McCain and Palin are both solid 2nd Amendment supporters -- Palin's even a life member of the NRA. Obama has nothing but negative on his record in regards to the 2nd Amendment. And yet you just won't see it. If that ain't drinking the kool-aid, I don't know what is.

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SoCoKHntr wrote:
If your too dense to understand diametrically opposed to every other issue then that's your problem as well as csumeralls.

What exactly is my problem, is it that i dont smugly look down upon others, attempt to discredit others upon personal issues. Or is it that I just dont fall in line with what you believe. Or maybe its because you resent the fact that I have certain values that I believe are important and am unwilling to change. I dont know. But, you are little out of line saying that i have a problem. I am not voting the big R because Palin is a sportsman, Its because their beliefs are closer to mine than the Democrats. Plain and simple, I personally dont care where you stand on the issues, you are unwilling to accept that another party maybe better in certain aspects.

Cool it with the sanctimonious crap. You get your little digs in about Kool Aid and crack and then cry foul when you are responded to in kind.

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SoCo, not once in this or any other thread have you shown anything on Obama's record that shows he supports the 2nd Amendment. All you've done is say you don't believe the overwhelming evidence (including his own words) and stand by him because he says he won't at the moment.

It's not just a matter of hunting. McCain and Palin are both solid 2nd Amendment supporters -- Palin's even a life member of the NRA. Obama has nothing but negative on his record in regards to the 2nd Amendment. And yet you just won't see it. If that ain't drinking the kool-aid, I don't know what is.

His legislation had to do with the inner city and high crimes perpetuated by gang violence. You may feel like you are helping the cause by helping inner city gang members and other organized criminals easy access to high capacity killing machines by opposing any and all gun laws and that's fine, but I don't agree with that.

Everything you have shown in regard to his supposed anti-gun stance has do with high murder and crimes rates in the inner city where guns have been used. I for one minute do not believe and he hasn't shown that he wants to take guns from the vast majority of Americans.

I for one don't believe that every American has the intelligence, ethics, morals, or mental capability to have easy and unregulated access to high capacity weapons designed to kill high numbers of people. Call me crazy but that's my view.

In todays Pueblo Chieftain there was news articles on two teenagers shot at area high school and middle schools. There are reports of drive by shootings, people being shot, and murders where guns where used every week and the city I live in can be called small by most standards.

There's tons of idiots out there with guns that shouldn't be within a hundred miles of one.

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You can take it or leave it soco, but the fact of the matter is that you are contiously accusing us(conservatives) of toeing the party line, when it is infact you are trying to be the poster democrat. In all of your posts you are taking everything from the party and making it out to be the gospel. You have your beliefs, great, but when you are called on something you just go around the bush over and over again. You cant prove that obama is pro 2nd amendment. And in all reality no one will ever vote on one issue alone. But, the combination of obamas other stances and the one he has taken on this issue, makes him an unsafe choice for me. The poll says it all you can take it however you wish.

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Remember these hunting politicians?

Cheney by far exemplifies for me the inteligence of choosing a leader by his gun policy. 100,000 dead people later and one lawyer shot in the face.

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SoCo, your lack of dimension of political issues is astounding. Like any classic kool-aid drinker, you keep coming back to the same insipid points -- the war and Dick Cheney. Give it a break.

Your position on Obama and the 2nd Amendment is utterly ridiculous and reminiscent of Baghdad Bob. You can't produce a single thing that says Obama supports the 2nd Amendment, other than to try to argue that we should ignore our lying eyes.

When caught, you resort to the classic stupid temper tantrums we've been seeing for the past 8 years -- Bush/Cheney conspiracies, the war, etc.

Obama's tanking because he keeps talking about "change" but is spouting the same moonbat anti-Bush junk, same whines, same temper tantrums, same politics of outrage, same conspiracy theory mindset, and same political chicanery America's been tolerating from the left since the Clinton administration.

And now that Sarah Palin's on the scene, what do we hear? The same tired stuff they said about Bush -- some unseen boogeyman is putting words in her mouth, attacks on her intellect, etc. You know, stupid garbage like Obama's continued condescension about her being a small town mayor and refusing to acknowledge that she's a governor.

Obama's dropping numbers are because America gave power to the Democrats a couple years ago, and nothing has changed. They're realizing that these people are shallow, inept spoiled brats with a strong sense of entitlement but no sense of service. In short, Obama's tanking because Mr. Change's message is tired, ordinary, empty and annoying

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expatriate wrote:
SoCo, your lack of dimension of political issues is astounding. Like any classic kool-aid drinker, you keep coming back to the same insipid points -- the war and Dick Cheney. Give it a break.

Your position on Obama and the 2nd Amendment is utterly ridiculous and reminiscent of Baghdad Bob. You can't produce a single thing that says Obama supports the 2nd Amendment, other than to try to argue that we should ignore our lying eyes.

When caught, you resort to the classic stupid temper tantrums we've been seeing for the past 8 years -- Bush/Cheney conspiracies, the war, etc.

Obama's tanking because he keeps talking about "change" but is spouting the same moonbat anti-Bush junk, same whines, same temper tantrums, same politics of outrage, same conspiracy theory mindset, and same political chicanery America's been tolerating from the left since the Clinton administration.

And now that Sarah Palin's on the scene, what do we hear? The same tired stuff they said about Bush -- some unseen boogeyman is putting words in her mouth, attacks on her intellect, etc. You know, stupid garbage like Obama's continued condescension about her being a small town mayor and refusing to acknowledge that she's a governor.

Obama's dropping numbers are because America gave power to the Democrats a couple years ago, and nothing has changed. They're realizing that these people are shallow, inept spoiled brats with a strong sense of entitlement but no sense of service. In short, Obama's tanking because Mr. Change's message is tired, ordinary, empty and annoying

My you are dense and myopic. I used the Saddam example because you seem to automatically think anyone who owns a gun and hunts should get everyones vote. If you can't understand the example drawn well then I guess it's no wonder your ignorant enough to believe all the B.S. you do.

Blah, blah, blah, Mccain and his sidekick (the Real Mavericks, haha) are fairing well due to a a large percentage of people who's thinking stops at "Well, golly she owns a gun and hunts them thar moose she's got my vote!,".

Obama's numbers evened out with Mccain due to Karl Rove tactics of manipulation and deception. Another thing is who's running for CIC her or Mccain. You'd think she was how you, Mccain, and every right winger out there are creaming there pants over her. Mccain looks sad when he relies on her at every rally they've been to as if he can't stand on his own two feet. He's going to be hurting when he has to campaign alone.

A lot of her lies have already been exposed and more are sure to follow. Don't be counting your chickens yet there expat.

You said,

"Obama's tanking because he keeps talking about "change" but is spouting the same moonbat anti-Bush junk, same whines, same temper tantrums, same politics of outrage, same conspiracy theory mindset, and same political chicanery America's been tolerating from the left since the Clinton administration."

If your party is so proud and has done so well the past eight years why did you guys hide Bush at the RNC? Why were the leaders of your party absent, not even mentioned hardly if at all? You are the moonbat my friend even the leaders of your party know when something is putrid and distance themselves for their own survival. Putrid due to their lies and incompetence which seem to be right up your alley.

But, keep on peddling BS whether it's by ignorance or purposeful if you need that to happy. And, before you go crying and feigning hurt over what I said go back and read the descriptors you wrote about me and other Democrats.

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I never said I would automatically support any candidate that hunts. If I did, I would've fallen for Kerry's ridiculous stunt back in '04, as I suspect you did.

I said Obama doesn't support the 2nd Amendment. Is it possible for you to stay on target and address that point? Put up evidence he does or quit making a fool of yourself.

Again, you're on the same old tirade...Bush...blah blah blah...Karl Rove...blah, blah, blah.

Unlike the Democrats, today's Republicans are focused on the NEXT 8 years, not the last ones.

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