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6TCU VS 6PPC

I'm about to rebuild my Sako .222Rem L461 to a 6mm (.243). 6TCU and 6PPC is the two calibers still in the race. The 6TCU has the advantages that it will chamber with out any problem and it has the .223Rem case as base which is more common than the 6PPC case. The 6PPC on the other hand has a better theoretical precision. Both calibers has advantages of zero recoil and high angle case neck. What do you have to say about my choise of caliber? Wich one is the winner?

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Personally, I'd go for the 6PPC because it is more common and you will have an easier time to find ready to use components for reloading because you would have to neck up the 223 ammo to 6mm if you went for the 6TCU. The PPC brass can be purchased ready to go. As well, it has a slight edge in the velocity dept. (100fps) Both are as accurate as the shooter needs them to be so I don't think on is better than the other in this point. Either way, have fun with your conversion project.

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Thank you for your answer

The addition in speed is not cruisial but of course a plus. It is easier to find reloading equipment but when you have a full set of dies there is no problem. The ready to use brass in 6PPC is nice but more expensive than an ordinary .223Rem. I think that 6TCU has the huge advantage of rareness but maybe that’s just me that like to be a little odd. And yes I WILL have fun during my conversion project. By the way the project also includes making of a new butt. It will probably be a straight classic either made of birch laminate or walnut.

Any more comments about my project before I determine witch caliber that is the winner?

/Peter

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I khow what you mean about having rare calibres. Why are you switching from the 222 Rem.? That is an awsome calibre and is not common by any means if that is what you like. Is the barrel worn out or are you just ready for a "change"? The 6mm Norma BR might be another choice. It is in current production by Norma for sure and maybe others. It is accurate and is also exotic. Just food for thought.

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Hi again

The .222Rem is the most common caliber for small game hunting in Sweden and can’t be called rare. It is a good caliber doe. The reason that I change is that my hunting goals have turned from birds towards roe deer and beaver and therefore I think that I need a caliber that can carry heavier bullets (and of course it is always nice with a project).

The 6mm NORMA BR was actually my first thought but the bolt bottom is to small in my Sako L461 meaning that I have to change mechanism to a larger more lumbering one.

Now it looks like the 6TCU is going to be the winner because the easier job (nothing has to be done with the bolt), cheaper brass, the rareness factor and that no work has to be done to get a functional magazine.

Forum members, please be indulgent towards the flaws in my English.

/Peter from Sweden

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Good luck with the project and welcome to the forum. Keep us in tune to how the project is going. Pics are a welcome sight as well. BTW, your english sounds just fine to me. It is funny how your being in Sweden makes things more or less common than here in Canada. I keep a wide range of firearms and am always looking for more but I have never even seen a 222 rem. around here. I have shot a 6 PPC and can get bullets/brass/etc. for it because there are benchrest shooters in the area that use it but the 6 TCU is not even mentioned up here. I personally use the 220 swift for comp. and it has worked well for me. It is not easy to find components to feed that either, atleast up here. This area seems to favour the "middle of the road" calibres such as 30-06, 308, 270, 303, 30-30. My 6mm Rem is exotic for up here! Wink

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Thank you!

Looks like a nice forum even though there is no discussion about reloading and reloading equipment.

I’ll keep you updated about the project. I’m planning to document the project with pictures. How do I link them into the forum message? As you mention there is funny and interesting to hear about regional differences and resemblance. As I said is the .222Rem the most common weapon for bird hunting whit out any competition. The 6TCU is mentioned around here but there is no one that actually uses it and that is the case for the 220 Swift as well. Tell me more about your custom in weapons.

My other weapons is a Anschutz .22LR, Ruger 22Hornet, Mannlicher .308 Norma Magnum and a Benelli Super 90 shotgun. Six weapons is the limit in Sweden.

By the way we have a really nice forum in Sweden that discuss reloading and everything that treats outdoor life, http://www.robsoft.nu/forum/default.asp. Most of it is in Swedish but there is OK to ask questions in English as well.

/Peter

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I agree that the forum is missing the reloading section and maybe if we ask the moderator real nice... :smile:
Anyhow, to answer your question about my customs... I only have two rifles that I would say are customs atleast semi-customized. The two are almost identical except for calibre. Both are stock Remington 700 with heavy contour target barrels from Hart. They both have a 1 in 12" twist and are the 6mm Rem and the 220 Swift. Both are a treat to use. The rest are military including mausers(Spanish and Swedish) and Lee enfields (several... my main collecting focus), M1 Garand and factory including new this year; Rem 700 sendero sf in 300 RUM and a Savge 93G in 22 mag. along with various older guns such as Rem 870 SPS 12 ga., a Rem. 11-87 12 ga., Rem 742 308, Win.m70 30-06 and a bunch of 22s in bolt and semi. I'm sure I'm missing a few but you get the drift. I just can't bare to see a rifle stuck in a gun shop. I live about 2 km from the gun range and am up there weekly to give the "boys" some fresh air. I reload most of my calibres but am not set up for the 300 ultramag (soon)or the 30-06(its so common and inexpensive that I probably won't) I'm finding 220 swift brass harder and harder to find this days ever since they got the 22-250 up and running.

For what it is worth the 6mm Rem, 220 Swift, 300 RUM have Leupold scopes on top and the only other scope I have is a Bushnell Trophy on my 22 mag. What do you use for optics? I'm sure the european optics are the most common for obvious reasons.

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A reloading forum is a good idea, but for right now lets keep reloading discussion in the firearm forum.

I don't mean to imply that reloading is not important. It is simply that there has not been a great deal of reloading discussion to date to warrant its own forum.

Welcome Peter, I think it is neat that a guy in Sweden is talking to a guy in Nova Scotia, bouncing through a server in Colorado. :smile:

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Reloading is one of my main interests so I will probably post a bunch of new questions regarding the subject.

Leopold scopes are really common here in Sweden they even have a series called Scandinavian that are widely used. My favorite scopes are of course European but not only for the sake of it but because I think that they are the best you can get. On my Anschutz .22LR I have an old Zeiss Jena 4x32. That is an old East German scope that is approximately 20 years old. A Meopta (Czech) Artemis 2000 7x50 is seated on my Ruger 22Hornet. I don’t know if you have heard about Meopta but it has optics that is comparative whit the best but to a much lower price. My pride is the 3-12x56 Zeiss that crowns my .222Rem. This scope is like a dream and is perfect in the last hours of light when hunting for roe deer or fox. The last scope is a Karl Kalhes Helia CT 3-9x42 and is on top of my Mannlicher .308 Norma Magnum.

Don’t you have any limitation on the amount of weapons that you are allowed to be in possession of?

/Peter

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We don't have a limit on the number of firearms we can own. However, after 10, we can be searched at any time with 24 hrs. notice. Under 10 I assume they have to have a search warrant and probably cause to search you.
I agree that european scopes are some of the best out but they can be very expensive this side of the ocean. I once had a Kahles 1.5-6x42 before my last Leupold but I had a zeroing problem and traded it for the Leupold. I have never heard of Meopta scopes. I'll have to look them up on the web.