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Expat, ditch that Camero and get a Dodge Challenger.  When I get my new Ford F150 paid off that's what I'm getting.  I want one painted like the General Lee.  Then I'm going to find some Daisy Duke hottie and start my midlife crisis.  Dancing

Just kidding, don't need to find another hottie, my wife wouldn't want me riding around in that Challenger without her.  She still looks like Daisy Duke anyway, all she needs is the cut-off jean shorts Big smile

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OK...didn't mean to start a storm with the Camaro.  But my opinion on GM isn't just based on that one data point.  I travel a lot and consequently deal with a lot of rental vehicles.  Same story...generally disappointed with the build quality and design of GM stuff.  I look at things like ergonomics, materials, and things like exposed welds and fasteners.  They're famous for things that initially look good, but don't hold up under closer inspection.  I've seen bumpers that looked great, but turned out to be a piece of thin plastic covering up a piece of steel underneath -- what appeared to be bumper would easily flex in your hand.   I've seen exposed welds as big around as my little finger that were destined to attract corrosion into the pits.  I'm 5'11", and the Chevy rental I have right now is a mess.  If I back up the seat so my kneecap isn't jammed into the center console, my arms are at full extension to reach the steering wheel...ergonomics are all wrong and impossible to correct.  There are also a lot of little things...like how the lighter plug is directly over a cup holder.  You can use one or the other, but not both.  Lots of little stuff like that which could've been done a lot better.

It's not that I have a thing against GM...it's that I hate to see shoddy workmanship and sloppy design from an industry that should be leading the world.  We're better than this.

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I'm wondering if you are so

I'm wondering if you are so down on GMs, why you are renting them with all the other stuff available from various agencies?  This is just a friendly question because I've been drivng since 1964 and have never rented or leased a vehicle.

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If I had discretion to pick my rental car, I'd be happy to use it.  But in my line of work, we gotta go with the cheapest rate on rental cars.   What I get varies by location and there are no guarantees of a specific manufacturer ahead of time.  For the record, I'm not too fond of a lot of Chrysler stuff, either.
Again, I'm not "down" on GM.  I'm against mediocrity.  It just seems that GM offers more in that department.
But as far as trucks go, I think if I could put a GM drive train in a Ford I'd be a happy guy
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Ford, GM, Chrysler

My new F150 is the first Ford I've owned.  So far so good, but time will tell.  Previous to this I only ever owned and drove AMC or Chrysler vehicles - CJ Jeep, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Dodge Ram truck.  I'm proud to say that none of these American made vehicles ever let me down, ever, despite everything I put them through.  I went with Ford this time because I liked what I test drove and I was able to get the price down to what I wanted.  My dad has always been a Chevy guy, we always had GM vehicles when I was growning up, in fact my dad as an old man now drives a Buick (go figure) and still has the 2002 Chevy Cavelier that belonged to mom before she died.  The Buick is nice, but having borrowed the Cavaleir on more than one occasion I can fully understand what Expat is talking about.  I did get somewhat of the same feeling about the inside of the new Silverado trucks I test drove as well, the interior materials just seemed flimbsy and shoddy, don't know, they may be better than they seem.  Truth be told, all of them - Ford, GM, and Chrysler have all produced some real crappy passenger cars at on time or another in the last 30 years, but I think they've always consentrated more quality emphisis on their trucks overall in general.  Just my opinion.  People can drive and own whatever truck they want.  I can't say I'm partial to either one, but I do love my F-150.

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I drive an F150 Supercrew, my

I drive an F150 Supercrew, my son has a Dodge 2500 v-10, and my dad drives a GMC. I could literally flip a coin and be pretty happy with any of them, except for the gas mileage on the Dodge.

Like the other guys the problem seems to be with the cars. My last Ford car was a Taurus that had the engine replaced twice in less than 100,000 miles. Loved the car but not reliable at all. The car I drive daily now is a 2006 Chevy Cobalt that is mechanically perfect but nothing simple works right like the door locks and heat and ac controls are all broken and out of warranty. Dealer says they are simply worn out and would cost about a thousand to fix. I'll drive it till it's worn out completely but have no idea what brand I will get next.

 

 

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I had a few minutes and found

I had a few minutes and found something interesting.  I punched in "Best Truck of the Year" and did a search.  The Chevy Silverado was the Motor Trend truck of the year in 2007 and again this year.  The rest of the years have been spread amongst the other biggies with Ford, Dodge, and Toyota getting the award the other years.  I guess maybe it is just an individual choice as to what you like because I think that sort of shows that just maybe there is no particular company making the best one year after year.

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A problem with Motor Trend or

A problem with Motor Trend or any other vehicle rating system is that they go by creature comforts and ride mostly and not with what a person that is buying a hunting, camping, tow, and get down and dirty vehicle would consider.  It is a lot like trying to find a truck on a dealer lot without carpeting and manual door locks and windows.  They make them but you can't find them and if you want one you will need to special order it and pay more than the one that is sitting on the lot. 

One thing that I have always wanted to do was to get three of my friends and all of us go down to separate truck dealers to take a test drive.  Then meet up at a nice off road area and see just what the trucks would do against each other.  Then once we figure out which one was the best to hand the keys back to the salesman right there on the spot and thank them for the test drives. 

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Great point, Critter.  My Dad sends me a subscription to Consumer Reports every year, and they're notorious for that kind of thing.  Their ratings are weighted heavily based on their political agenda.  So it's pretty predictable...automotive ratings are almost always in order of fuel mileage or "environmentally friendly" features.  So if they rate trucks they focus heavily on things like mileage, creature comforts, safety, etc.  The scoring system hunters and other serious truck users don't necessarily make it into their matrix, or are a low priority.  And CR prides itself on its scientific evaluation methods.  But even the most objective data can lead to different conclusions depending on how the data is weighted.  Ratings magazines are a great tool, but you've got to make sure they're looking for the same things you are.

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Critter wrote:

A problem with Motor Trend or any other vehicle rating system is that they go by creature comforts and ride mostly and not with what a person that is buying a hunting, camping, tow, and get down and dirty vehicle would consider.  It is a lot like trying to find a truck on a dealer lot without carpeting and manual door locks and windows.  They make them but you can't find them and if you want one you will need to special order it and pay more than the one that is sitting on the lot. 

One thing that I have always wanted to do was to get three of my friends and all of us go down to separate truck dealers to take a test drive.  Then meet up at a nice off road area and see just what the trucks would do against each other.  Then once we figure out which one was the best to hand the keys back to the salesman right there on the spot and thank them for the test drives. 

Good point.  Trucks need to be rated by real truck users.  Too many sedan or luxury sportscar people have found their way into the pick-up truck world, buying a truck mainly for image or looks.  Then these same consumers complain and moan that their new truck drives like a truck.  Makes me serioulsy question what exactly they were expecting Confused

Granted all these newer trucks do drive nice and feel alot more luxurious than ever.  They are still trucks, utilitarian vehicles made for a purpose.

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