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Keep in mind that if you know what you're doing and know how to handle both the salesman and the financial guy you can get a real good price.  It takes some negotiating skills and arming yourself with the right strategy, but it can be done, even better if you shop during the right times of year. I paid way less for my truck than their sticker price, way less, and that truck is loaded with more features than I really need.  I'm not boasting here and I'm not going to be specific about the price I paid either, but let me put it this way - 7 month later the dealership is still sending me offers trying their best to make back the money they lost on that truck. Dancing

As far as the Nissan Titans go - they are an alternative to the traditional big 3 makers offerings.  My wifes aunt owns one and likes it a lot.  They seem like a nice truck and though Japanese owned, the Titans are actually built here.  Can't say the same about the a few of the so-called Americans trucks, for example - Ram 2500 or 3500 trucks (Hecho en Mexico).  My Ford F150 was built or assembled at Fords Kansas City Assembly Plant in Missouri.

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As already stated, everyone has their favorite truck for different reasons.  I have owned Fords, Chevys, and then stopped looking when I bought my Dodge.  I have owned five dodge trucks over the past twelve years.  Engines have been the 318, 360, V10, and my current daily driver has the 5.7L Hemi.  The 318 was a Dodge Dakota 4WD; great small truck, just not a work truck.  V10, which I still have, is a Ram 3500 Dually, 2WD used as a work truck but mostly used now to haul my 5th wheel camper.  The rest were and is 3/4 ton trucks that were worked.  The older two (both 4WD with 360 engines) were used to haul trailerable boats (25 - 30 foot) up and down the east coast as well as for my daily driver at the time.  They never missed a beat.  My current truck, the Hemi, is a 4WD that I use in my commercial fishing business.  It also has been equipped with a 9.5 foot V-plow for snow removal.   I bought this truck last October, and so far I am more than impressed with how it has performed.  It is the Quad cab and has adequate leg room in the back for passengers.  Without the plow and not in 4WD, I average 15 MPG according to the onboard computer.  Out on the highway, when a constant speed can be achieved, the engine will drop 4 cylinders and will get around 18 MPG.  I have not pulled anything with this truck yet, but have no doubt after plowing all the snow we have had here on the Maine coast this winter, that it will pull my trap trailer without ever knowing it is hooked up. 

If you are thinking about a diesel, make sure you do your research regarding the diesel particulate filter in the exhaust system.  I know that unless you constantly drive at highway speeds, they will cause you nothing but trouble.  I know of one Ford truck that gets about 12 MPG because it is only used locally.  The dealer has told the owner he needs to drive it over 50 MPH for an extended period to clean the exhaust filter.  It can't be done in this area, so he is left holding the dirty end of the stick.  These filters are on all diesel trucks from 2008 to present. 

Good luck with your new truck search. 

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I currently drive a Toyota 4-runner, and I will continue to do so until I drive it into the ground.  It's been one of the most reliable vehicles I have owned.

However, I do not know if it will handle an elk or a moose. Wink

If it's an elk or a moose you want to be able to carry, you should get one of these, in my opinion.

 

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I've got a 2006 F-150 crew cab and love it.  I've had it up the Haul Road above the Arctic Circle, all the way down to Virginia.  I've run it in temps from -60 to +107 without a hiccup.  The only problems I've had were a clogged fuel injector and a blown power steering line right after I got it.  The line wasn't the truck's fault, though...it still had stock power steering fluid in it, which thickens to snot-like consistency and blows lines when it gets below -35 or so.  After changing the line, replacing the fluid with aviation-grade solved the problem for good.  I've slept in it, hosed bear blood out of it, and no matter what, it just keeps on keepin' on.

As for GM...I won't buy anything from that company as long as it's owned by the government.  I also haven't been that impressed with build quality.  Also, the lower stance is by design.  I looked at a Suburban a couple years ago and they told me that it's to keep the truck from climbing over little eco-friendly sedans in a collision.  In fact, the front of each frame rail has a structural "cow catcher" on it that's designed to push the front end down in a collision to increase safety for little cars.

Something about that just rubbed me the wrong way.  It's sort of like Obama's foreign policy...IMO a company sacrifices a lot of its credibility when it designs a truck as a rolling apology for its existence.

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expatriate wrote:

As for GM...I won't buy anything from that company as long as it's owned by the government.  I also haven't been that impressed with build quality.  Also, the lower stance is by design.  I looked at a Suburban a couple years ago and they told me that it's to keep the truck from climbing over little eco-friendly sedans in a collision.  In fact, the front of each frame rail has a structural "cow catcher" on it that's designed to push the front end down in a collision to increase safety for little cars.

Something about that just rubbed me the wrong way.  It's sort of like Obama's foreign policy...IMO a company sacrifices a lot of its credibility when it designs a truck as a rolling apology for its existence.

Like I said before expat, some plus sized tires will take care of that "lower-stance" problem real well.  I've witnessed it as a nice option without the expense of a lift kit.  Lift kits do nothing more than lift the body off the frame and raise the center-of-gravity anyway, does nothing for ground clearance IMO. As far as GM truck and SUVs being designed to not climb over a sedan in a collision - I think all manufacturers selling trucks and SUVs here in the USA are real soon going to be required to meet that conformiy.  In fact I kow of legislation right now in the works that would require all SUVs to meet this requirment.  You see it now anyway with the newer Ford and Ram trucks.  Their front ends are lowered more in it's stock form than they used to be. 

Government regulation is the reason why all the makers (not just GM) keep adopting new engines every ten years or so too. It's to meet strickter and more stringent emissions requirments and fuel economy  requirments that bombard us every year.   Want to remedy that?  Find a way to de-rail the EPA and all their lobbyists. 

Personally I have no problem with GM or any of their current offerings.  Toyota seems to always get the kudos, but I know plenty of people who are still driving their reliable GM vehicles - 1500's, 2500's, Suburbans, Tahos, and Yukons with well over 200K miles on them and those things just keep on running.  I just don't question their build quality after seeing stuff like this.  The fact that GM now stands for Government Motors really doesn't bother me all that much either.  I've heard a lot of ranting about the governments ownership of GM, ranted about it myself at first.  But I just can't seem to get a straight answer and logical reason of why some people are all too upset about that.  All three makers have really woken up from the big slap they recieved and I think now a fire has been lit under their rear end to keep up pace with the competition.  There's nothing better than to have some real stiff competion from Toyota (Tundra) and recently Nissan (Titan) to keep the big Detroit 3 on their toes and keep them improving.

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And by the way, groovy mike...you can fit a moose in a sedan.  Here's proof:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/r/8087682/detail.html

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Tacoma

If your looking for a smaller capable truck with a lower price tag consider a Toyota Tacoma.  Their smaller lighter body coupled with a V6 engine is capable for elk hunting.  They are also one of the only trucks in stock form that come with excellent ground clearance.  I have a buddy who hunts with us occasionally who drives one and it performs well.  It does have it's space limitations, but overall it's a great sportsmans vehicle.  If I were to buy a smaller sized pick-up I consider a Tacoma first over a Ford Ranger (Mazda), or Dodge Dakota (Mitsubishi).  I only recommend staying away from a 6 cylinder in a full sized pick-up.  In a smaller pick-up a V6 will provide enough capability. 

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Not to sidetrack into discussion of socialism, but the idea of the government owning GM horrifies me.  For one thing, history has proven again and again that when government owns industry, eventually there's a tendency to run it like government...with decisions being increasingly based on political agendas, rather than economic or marketing ones.  This is why government operations are notoriously high cost and low efficiency.

For another, I have a serious problem with one of the Big 3 being owned by someone who has the ability to employ the powers of the federal government against its competitors.  It's no different than if a CEO corrupted half of Congress and used them to pass legislation favorable to his business and unfavorable to his competition.  I may grumble about a bailout, but it worked for Chrysler years ago.  But nationalization?  That's another matter entirely.

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expatriate wrote:

Not to sidetrack into discussion of socialism, but the idea of the government owning GM horrifies me.  For one thing, history has proven again and again that when government owns industry, eventually there's a tendency to run it like government...with decisions being increasingly based on political agendas, rather than economic or marketing ones.  This is why government operations are notoriously high cost and low efficiency.

For another, I have a serious problem with one of the Big 3 being owned by someone who has the ability to employ the powers of the federal government against its competitors.  It's no different than if a CEO corrupted half of Congress and used them to pass legislation favorable to his business and unfavorable to his competition.  I may grumble about a bailout, but it worked for Chrysler years ago.  But nationalization?  That's another matter entirely.

I think low efficiency, high operating costs, and the wrong leadership agenda is what bit GM in the first place before the bailout.  Volkswagon is part owned by a government (state of Saxony in Germany).  Actually the brain child of the Adolf Hitler himself. They've produced pretty good quality and reasonably priced vehicles for most of their history without much poblems (except for the last 15 years or so).  Still I have no problem with GM as long as they can offer a pretty good vehicle at a fair price.  About the only thing I'm wary of and can do without on GM vehicles is the OnStar on board many of their vehicles, but beyond that I suppose only time will tell how thing play out with their new owner. Then again the Federal Government has been privatizing many of their departments abd agecies over the last several years trying to have the ability to be able to free from the restrainst of the Constitution yet still being allowed to enforce rules as a government entity.  I agree though, being government owned is less than ideal for GM.  Ideally We should have smaller government. No bailouts, because there's always strings attached.  Allow competition, proper leadership, and "survival of the fittest" philosophies to govern the corporate world and private business. That's what built this country and seemed to work for the last couple centuries.  Doesn't matter who owns what, the consumer (you and me) as well as the competition will be the real governors of the market.   

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I have always drove Chevys and loved them.  Had a bunch of GM stock that my grandmother left me and I was a happy GM owner.  Then GM took the "Buy Out" or should I say cop out.  Not only did the largest automobile company in the world ask the gvt for a bail out, they still reorginized so my stock became worthless.  Then the let go the working class workers and kept the entire board of directors and CEO that led then down the path (great mgt!).

Ford on the other hand said we don't need the hand out and remained a family owned business.  I am sure that Dodges are a fine truck and last i knew they were the only truck still made with solid axels?  Still last spring I sold my old Chevy 1500 4X4 and bought a 2010 Ford F 150 4X4.  Has the extended cab and a six and a half ft box.  Has been a great truck the only pain is the 17inch wheels (not a standard size).  Just seems to me that Ford still has the American values that built this country, so now I am a Ford guy.

My 2 cents

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