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Location: Middle Tennessee
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444, 450, 45-70 Pros and cons

Anyone got some info or experience with these calibers. They are all good cartridges but I am having a hard time deciding between them. I will probably go 450 or 45-70 since I probably wont find the 444 in the barrel length I want(18"). The 450 is more powerful and has better ballistics but the 45-70 is old favorite of many.

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I'm a 45-70 fan. Never been a jacketed bullet through mine...cast my own. Here's a pic...one on left is a 550gr. flatpoint and the right is my old favorite 535gr. Postell. These are loaded with 70grs. of Goex Cartridge grade powder. Also have a smokeless load for the 535gr. Postell that's a rip snorter. Yes

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What kind of velocity do you get out of those?

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Never have chrono'd them. Should be in the 1150-1200 fps range. Not what most folks are after these days.

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You might want to check Wild West Guns out of Anchorage. I bought a Marlin 1895 rechambered to .457 WWM and the ballistics are outstanding. They also feed 45-70 and .410 shotshells. The gun is totally reworked, which included shortening to 18", porting, rechambering, plus I had a Kevlar stock added and hard chromed for the abuses of Alaska. I use mine as a brownie deterrent while fly fishing, but they are a hoot. The .457 pushes a 350 gr. bullet at 2200fps @ 3750 foot pounds. I can attach a pick if anyone is interested!

Wyatt

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psyco knowing what ya plan on hunting with it i'd go 450. in the guide gun. i've shot them and like them just don't have a use for a long gun myself sense i always carry my pistol

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444, 450, 45-70 Pros and cons

Hand loaded and out of a modern rifle. The 45-70 is every bit as hot as the 450 marlin.
The 45-70 has more availabilty, over the counter but, the loads are going to be quite a bit lighter than the over the counter 450's.
The 444, although an excellent round, isn't very popular. As, either is the 450, as yet.

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I own a 45-70 Marlin and love it. I bought it for hog hunting (actually that was just an excuse to buy a new gun Yes ) I was originally looking at the 444 Marlin, but decided on the 45-70. The reasoning behind that was I new that the 45-70 ammo was easier to find in a pinch. I think that most Wal-Marts carry it.

By the way good call on Wild West Guns in Anchorage. I lived there for a while and druelled over his guns at the store often. He makes some really cool take-down models for bush pilots. Thumbs up

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I can attach a pick if anyone is interested!

I just got a new 45-70 guide gun in the stainless, but would like to see yours.

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.457 WWG with 16 1/2" barrel, hard chromed, Kevlar stock and ported

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Location: Middle Tennessee
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Awesome gun wyatt

Here is mine

I cant wait to shoot it...

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