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Captain- what do you mean by outshoot? Downrange wallop implies killing something versus simply shooting at targets. In that case of course the larger bullets will pack more punch. But with equal size bullets the two shoot almost identically. See this Note the 150 gr bullet trajectories for each cartridge.
You can beef up a 270 as easily as a 30-06. They do have Hornady LM loads for the 270 as well. I have run some pretty strong handloads through my 270 (a stout Rem 700). Unfortunately, I can't do the same with my '06 since it is a pump. Sure it might handle some of the max loads but I wouldn't want to push it.

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.35 Whelen

I believe fuzzybear was referring to his 270 WSM here, not a .270 Winchester.

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He may have been, but Captain Obvious seemed to have been talking about the original round. If both were comparing 270 wsm to a 30-06 then it is like apples/oranges. Although as hunters we seem to do that a lot!

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LIkewise, it wouldn't be fair to hold the 270 Winchester and 270 short mag up to the much larger 270 Weatherby Magnum. Comparing magnums to standard rounds really isn't fair, in part due to case capacity and also due to other factors which vary from cartridge to cartridge. Like a 30-06 and a 300 Winchester Magnum. But then there's a less obvious aspect as well, ones that many people just don't consider. For example, if a 300 Winchester Magnum drives a typical 150 grain factory load at 3290 fps, and a 30-06 drives a typical factory load at 2910 fps, it would seem like the 300 just totally whups it, right? WRONG! SO WRONG! Why? Because most 150 grain .30 caliber bullets are designed for rapid expansion, they're what you use on medium sized big game like deer and such. Although the 150 grain bullet from the 300 Winchester Magnum retains more energy at any range than the 30-06, it is less efficient It retains a smaller percentage of its original energy than the 150 grain 30-06, possibly due to the greater air resistance owing to its high velocity. Also, since most shots at North American big game are 200 yards or less, and since that bullet weight fired from a rifle of either caliber serves the same general purpose and has the same general function, better is more a matter of preference than anything else. The scenario changes dramatically if one examines performance with heavy bullets like ones weighing 190 to 200 grains. This is where a magnum typically shines over a standard round, heavier bullet weight for a given caliber at higher velocity, more energy, and flatter trajectory.

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.35 Whelen

What I was relating to was the SD of a bullet and it's ability for pentration. I was using the .277in and the .308in for description only. Sorry for the confusion. The point I was trying to make was in the 35's bullets that are available , and there are several, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are good choices but they could be satisfactory. There are much better choices in smaller and larger calibers. Sorry guys.

Nosler and Hornady have both recently developed bullets with higher SD and BC. They will retain high FPE at longer ranges and they are constructed to be used by hunters but fly like target bullets. This type of technology is going to allow a hunter to use a smaller caliber and develop the energy and penetration of a larger diameter bullet.

I see a lot of guys going out into the field with a round that some one told them was the one to use and the bullet they used was not designed for the job they intended it to do. What I see most of the time is the guy that buys some wizzbang 30 cal and loads 150's because they go faster and they wonder why it didn't drop the animal. That kind of s--t just pisses me off.

Again, sorry for the confusion.

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Me too.

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Thanks for the clarification. I guess I'm not up on some of this new gun technology. I used to be into all the coolest stuff, whether it was the latest hot rod car or rifle, but as I got older and busier it sort of fell by the wayside. Also, since the only big game animal I shoot at are deer I have the perfect weapons already! I don't need to-and can't afford to- buy the latest whizzbang in order to kill a whitetail. My 270 or '06 will kill em as dead as anything!

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